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Dated a Mormon and need some support

2020.09.07 17:10 110-115-120 Dated a Mormon and need some support

So I (a gay non-Mormon) dated a gay (inactive at the time) Mormon for a couple of years, and it was going well until the pandemic. We didn't move in with each other, but we spent a lot of time together. I knew we were not politically aligned, but I didn't expect it to be a major issue, and it wasn't until the pandemic occurred. Once the stay-at-home orders were issued, I took them seriously as I believe in science and medical experts, plus I wanted to help flatten the curve and avoid overwhelming the health care system. My ex is a Trumper (not exactly sure why, but I believe it may be related to his affiliation to the Republican party because of his indoctrinated beliefs against abortion), and did not take the virus seriously. We couldn't agree on how to handle things (as far as following safety protocols & public health recommendations were concerned), and ultimately broke up because of that. I keep wracking my brain and wondering if I could have done anything differently to make things work out without compromising my ethics, or if this is something that most Mormons are conditioned into and I should avoid dating any more of them because of that.
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2020.09.01 12:54 pineapplecheers Some Statistics on Islam in the Western World.

Some Statistics on Islam in the Western World.
Note: These are only the stats on Islam in the west, the stats on Islam in the Muslim majority world are much more depressing.
UK
  1. US Diplomatic Cables: One-Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html
  1. Britain’s Ministry of Defence: More British Muslims have Fought for ISIS than having Served in the British Armed Forces.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/08/21/islamic-state-americans-british/14384045/
  1. NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/
  1. NOP Research: 62% of British Muslims do not believe in the protection of free speech.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. ICM Mirror 2016: 2 in 3 Muslims in Britain Would not Report Terror Plot to Police.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659913/two-in-three-British-Muslims-would-NOT-give-police-terror-tip-offs
  1. ICM Mirror 2015: 1.5 Million British Muslims support the Islamic State, about half the total population.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-leader-isis-supporting-brits-disenfranchised-6018357
  1. NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. AlJazeera Poll: 40% of UK Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2006/02/20084915451911371.html
  1. 25% of UK mosques have literature calling for the beheading of lapsed Muslims, ordering women to remain Indoors, and forbidding interfaith marriages.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lessons-in-hate-found-at-leading-mosques-wzbwdtb2g0n?wgu=270525_16644_15959047563588_48638ee643&wgexpiry=1603680756&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=4551
  1. Gallup: Zero percent of UK Muslims think homosexuality is morally acceptable.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
  1. Policy Exchange 2016: Half of British Muslims would not go to cops if they knew someone with ISIS links.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2308529/half-british-muslims-would-not-report-is-supporters/
NETHERLANDS
  1. Forum Multicultural Institute: 80% of young Dutch Muslims see nothing wrong with Holy War against non-believers.
Most verbalized support for pro-Islamic State fighters.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2014/11/young-dutch-turks-radical-views-worry-mps-call-for-more-research/
SWEDEN
  1. Koopmans 2018: 52% of Sweden Muslims believe that Sharia is more important than Swedish law.
https://www.svd.se/radikal-islamism-drabbar-alla
  1. AHA Foundation: Six out of ten mosques in Sweden gave women advice about how to deal with spousal abuse and polygamy that contradicted Swedish law.
Six out of the ten mosques visited by the women, who had also claimed that their husbands had multiple wives, told them that they should nevertheless agree to have sex with their husbands even if they didn’t want to.
Six of the mosques also advised the women against reporting spousal abuse to the police.
https://www.theahafoundation.org/six-out-of-ten-mosques-in-sweden-gave-women-advice-about-how-to-deal-with-spousal-abuse-and-polygamy-that-contradicted-swedish-law-a-media-investigation-has-revealed/
GERMANY
  1. Die Welt 2012: 46% of Muslims in Germany hope there will eventually be more Muslims than Christians in Germany.
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article108659406/Tuerkische-Migranten-hoffen-auf-muslimische-Mehrheit.html
FRANCE
  1. 46% of French Muslims believe Sharia law should be applied in country.
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/1568920086-poll-46-of-french-muslims-believe-sharia-law-should-be-applied-in-country
AUSTRIA
  1. FPO 2014: 43% of Islamic teachers in Austria openly advocate Sharia law over democracy.
http://rt.com/news/208387-austria-islam-kindergarten-muslim/
DENMARK
  1. Integration Barometer 2018: 27% of young migrants in Denmark say Islamic law should override Danish law.
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201803151062553576-denmark-copenhagen-sharia/
  1. Danish Justice Ministry 2020: 76% of Muslims want criticism of Islam criminalized in Denmark.
https://sputniknews.com/amp/europe/202005041079186984-majority-of-danish-muslims-wish-to-make-criticising-islam-illegal-minister-says-integrate-or-leave/
  1. Jyllands-Posten: 77% of Muslims in Denmark think that the Quran must be applied fully in the Danish society.
https://jyllands-posten.dk/indland/ECE8103969/Danske-muslimer-g%C3%A5r-mere-op-i-b%C3%B8n-t%C3%B8rkl%C3%A6der-og-Koranen/
USA
  1. CSP: 51% of US Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/
  1. Pew Research: 72% of Muslim Americans support the proposal to build a mosque and Islamic community center near Ground Zero, the site of the 9/11 attacks on New York.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/08/30/Most-US-Muslims-back-Ground-Zero-mosque/54511314737569/
  1. American Mosques: Correlation Between Sharia Adherence and Dogma Calling for Violence Against Non-Believers.
51% have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence.
30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence.
In 84.5% of the mosques, the Imam recommends studying violence-positive texts.
http://www.meforum.org/2931/american-mosques
CANADA
  1. MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada.
https://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/
  1. Association for Canadian Studies: 42% of Muslims in Canada believe that Islam is irreconcilable with Western society.
https://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/most-canadians-believe-west-and-islam-irreconcileable-poll
OVERALL in Europe
  1. WZB: 65% of Muslims in Europe Want Islamic Sharia Law in Their European Host Countries.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism
WORLDWIDE
  1. World Bank: ISIS Recruits are Better Educated than their Average Countrymen.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/isil-recruits-better-educated-than-their-average-countryman-worl/
  1. INSS: 99.5% of all Suicide Attacks in 2015 were Motivated by Islam.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/450-of-452-suicide-attacks-in-2015-were-by-muslim-extremists-study-shows/
  1. The Freethought Report 2013: There are now 13 countries in the world where the state can execute you for being an atheist. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/atheists-face-death-in-13-countries-global-discrimination-study-220495-2013-12-12
  1. There are 11 places in the world where homosexuals are legally sentenced to death. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/life/here-are-the-11-countries-where-being-gay-is-punishable-by-death/
  1. There are 9 places in the world that still have stoning as a form of legal punishment. Every single one is officially Islamic.
Stoning is a legal punishment for adultery in Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/special-report-the-punishment-was-death-by-stoning-the-crime-having-a-mobile-phone-8846585.html
  1. Pew Research Centre: The Majority of Muslims worldwide favor Sharia.
84% of South Asian Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
77% of Southeast Asian Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
74% of Middle Eastern and North African Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
64% of Sub Saharan African Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics, and Society.
https://layman.org/survey-shows-majority-of-muslims-in-favor-of-sharia/
  1. Pew Research: The Majority of Muslims worldwide believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
85% of the Muslims worldwide believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
93% of the Muslims in Southeast Asia believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
88% of the Muslims in South Asia believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
87% of the Muslims in Middle East/North Africa believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/05/what-muslims-around-the-world-think-about-womens-rights-in-charts/275450/
  1. Worldwide Trends on Honor Killings:
91% of the Honor killings, worldwide, are perpetrated by Muslims.
96% of the Honor killings in Europe are perpetrated by Muslims.
84% of the Honor killings in North America are perpetrated by Muslims.
These crimes are not mainly about women having actual affairs.
Worldwide, 58% of victims are murdered for being "too Western" (as opposed to for reasons of actual alleged or imagined sexual impropriety).
In North America, 91% are murdered for being "too Western".
In Europe, 71% are murdered for being "too Western".
https://www.meforum.org/2646/worldwide-trends-in-honor-killings
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2020.09.01 04:35 pineapplecheers Some Statistics on Islam in the Western World.

Note: These are only the stats on Islam in the west, the stats on Islam in the Muslim majority world are much more depressing.
UK
  1. US Diplomatic Cables: One-Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html
  1. Britain’s Ministry of Defence: More British Muslims have Fought for ISIS than having Served in the British Armed Forces.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/08/21/islamic-state-americans-british/14384045/
  1. NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/
  1. NOP Research: 62% of British Muslims do not believe in the protection of free speech.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. ICM Mirror 2016: 2 in 3 Muslims in Britain Would not Report Terror Plot to Police.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659913/two-in-three-British-Muslims-would-NOT-give-police-terror-tip-offs
  1. ICM Mirror 2015: 1.5 Million British Muslims support the Islamic State, about half the total population.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-leader-isis-supporting-brits-disenfranchised-6018357
  1. NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. AlJazeera Poll: 40% of UK Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2006/02/20084915451911371.html
  1. 25% of UK mosques have literature calling for the beheading of lapsed Muslims, ordering women to remain Indoors, and forbidding interfaith marriages.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lessons-in-hate-found-at-leading-mosques-wzbwdtb2g0n?wgu=270525_16644_15959047563588_48638ee643&wgexpiry=1603680756&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=4551
  1. Gallup: Zero percent of UK Muslims think homosexuality is morally acceptable.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
  1. Policy Exchange 2016: Half of British Muslims would not go to cops if they knew someone with ISIS links.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2308529/half-british-muslims-would-not-report-is-supporters/
NETHERLANDS
  1. Forum Multicultural Institute: 80% of young Dutch Muslims see nothing wrong with Holy War against non-believers.
Most verbalized support for pro-Islamic State fighters.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2014/11/young-dutch-turks-radical-views-worry-mps-call-for-more-research/
SWEDEN
  1. Koopmans 2018: 52% of Sweden Muslims believe that Sharia is more important than Swedish law.
https://www.svd.se/radikal-islamism-drabbar-alla
  1. AHA Foundation: Six out of ten mosques in Sweden gave women advice about how to deal with spousal abuse and polygamy that contradicted Swedish law.
Six out of the ten mosques visited by the women, who had also claimed that their husbands had multiple wives, told them that they should nevertheless agree to have sex with their husbands even if they didn’t want to.
Six of the mosques also advised the women against reporting spousal abuse to the police.
https://www.theahafoundation.org/six-out-of-ten-mosques-in-sweden-gave-women-advice-about-how-to-deal-with-spousal-abuse-and-polygamy-that-contradicted-swedish-law-a-media-investigation-has-revealed/
GERMANY
  1. Die Welt 2012: 46% of Muslims in Germany hope there will eventually be more Muslims than Christians in Germany.
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article108659406/Tuerkische-Migranten-hoffen-auf-muslimische-Mehrheit.html
FRANCE
  1. IFOP: 46% of French Muslims believe Sharia law should be applied in country.
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/europe/1568920086-poll-46-of-french-muslims-believe-sharia-law-should-be-applied-in-country
AUSTRIA
  1. FPO 2014: 43% of Islamic teachers in Austria openly advocate Sharia law over democracy.
http://rt.com/news/208387-austria-islam-kindergarten-muslim/
DENMARK
  1. Integration Barometer 2018: 27% of young migrants in Denmark say Islamic law should override Danish law.
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201803151062553576-denmark-copenhagen-sharia/
  1. Danish Justice Ministry 2020: 76% of Muslims want criticism of Islam criminalized in Denmark.
https://sputniknews.com/amp/europe/202005041079186984-majority-of-danish-muslims-wish-to-make-criticising-islam-illegal-minister-says-integrate-or-leave/
  1. Jyllands-Posten: 77% of Muslims in Denmark think that the Quran must be applied fully in the Danish society.
https://jyllands-posten.dk/indland/ECE8103969/Danske-muslimer-g%C3%A5r-mere-op-i-b%C3%B8n-t%C3%B8rkl%C3%A6der-og-Koranen/
USA
  1. CSP: 51% of US Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/
  1. Pew Research: 72% of Muslim Americans support the proposal to build a mosque and Islamic community center near Ground Zero, the site of the 9/11 attacks on New York.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/08/30/Most-US-Muslims-back-Ground-Zero-mosque/54511314737569/
  1. American Mosques: Correlation Between Sharia Adherence and Dogma Calling for Violence Against Non-Believers.
51% have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence.
30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence.
In 84.5% of the mosques, the Imam recommends studying violence-positive texts.
http://www.meforum.org/2931/american-mosques
CANADA
  1. MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada.
https://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/
  1. Association for Canadian Studies: 42% of Muslims in Canada believe that Islam is irreconcilable with Western society.
https://vancouversun.com/news/staff-blogs/most-canadians-believe-west-and-islam-irreconcileable-poll
OVERALL in Europe
  1. WZB: 65% of Muslims in Europe Want Islamic Sharia Law in Their European Host Countries.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism
WORLDWIDE
  1. World Bank: ISIS Recruits are Better Educated than their Average Countrymen.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/isil-recruits-better-educated-than-their-average-countryman-worl/
  1. INSS: 99.5% of all Suicide Attacks in 2015 were Motivated by Islam.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/450-of-452-suicide-attacks-in-2015-were-by-muslim-extremists-study-shows/
  1. The Freethought Report 2013: There are now 13 countries in the world where the state can execute you for being an atheist. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/atheists-face-death-in-13-countries-global-discrimination-study-220495-2013-12-12
  1. There are 11 places in the world where homosexuals are legally sentenced to death. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/life/here-are-the-11-countries-where-being-gay-is-punishable-by-death/
  1. There are 9 places in the world that still have stoning as a form of legal punishment. Every single one is officially Islamic.
Stoning is a legal punishment for adultery in Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/special-report-the-punishment-was-death-by-stoning-the-crime-having-a-mobile-phone-8846585.html
  1. Pew Research Centre: The Majority of Muslims worldwide favor Sharia.
84% of South Asian Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
77% of Southeast Asian Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
74% of Middle Eastern and North African Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
64% of Sub Saharan African Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics, and Society.
https://layman.org/survey-shows-majority-of-muslims-in-favor-of-sharia/
  1. Pew Research: The Majority of Muslims worldwide believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
85% of the Muslims worldwide believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
93% of the Muslims in Southeast Asia believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
88% of the Muslims in South Asia believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
87% of the Muslims in Middle East/North Africa believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/05/what-muslims-around-the-world-think-about-womens-rights-in-charts/275450/
  1. Worldwide Trends on Honor Killings:
91% of the Honor killings, worldwide, are perpetrated by Muslims.
96% of the Honor killings in Europe are perpetrated by Muslims.
84% of the Honor killings in North America are perpetrated by Muslims.
These crimes are not mainly about women having actual affairs.
Worldwide, 58% of victims are murdered for being "too Western" (as opposed to for reasons of actual alleged or imagined sexual impropriety).
In North America, 91% are murdered for being "too Western".
In Europe, 71% are murdered for being "too Western".
https://www.meforum.org/2646/worldwide-trends-in-honor-killings
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2020.09.01 04:33 pineapplecheers Some Statistics on Islam in the Western World.

Note: These are only the stats on Islam in the west, the stats on Islam in the Muslim majority world are much more depressing.
UK
  1. US Diplomatic Cables: One-Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html
  1. Britain’s Ministry of Defence: More British Muslims have Fought for ISIS than having Served in the British Armed Forces.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/08/21/islamic-state-americans-british/14384045/
  1. NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/
  1. NOP Research: 62% of British Muslims do not believe in the protection of free speech.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. ICM Mirror 2016: 2 in 3 Muslims in Britain Would not Report Terror Plot to Police.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659913/two-in-three-British-Muslims-would-NOT-give-police-terror-tip-offs
  1. ICM Mirror 2015: 1.5 Million British Muslims support the Islamic State, about half the total population.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-leader-isis-supporting-brits-disenfranchised-6018357
  1. NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. AlJazeera Poll: 40% of UK Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2006/02/20084915451911371.html
  1. 25% of UK mosques have literature calling for the beheading of lapsed Muslims, ordering women to remain Indoors, and forbidding interfaith marriages.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lessons-in-hate-found-at-leading-mosques-wzbwdtb2g0n?wgu=270525_16644_15959047563588_48638ee643&wgexpiry=1603680756&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=4551
  1. Gallup: Zero percent of UK Muslims think homosexuality is morally acceptable.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
  1. Policy Exchange 2016: Half of British Muslims would not go to cops if they knew someone with ISIS links.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2308529/half-british-muslims-would-not-report-is-supporters/
NETHERLANDS
  1. Forum Multicultural Institute: 80% of young Dutch Muslims see nothing wrong with Holy War against non-believers.
Most verbalized support for pro-Islamic State fighters.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2014/11/young-dutch-turks-radical-views-worry-mps-call-for-more-research/
SWEDEN
  1. Koopmans 2018: 52% of Sweden Muslims believe that Sharia is more important than Swedish law.
https://www.svd.se/radikal-islamism-drabbar-alla
  1. AHA Foundation: Six out of ten mosques in Sweden gave women advice about how to deal with spousal abuse and polygamy that contradicted Swedish law.
Six out of the ten mosques visited by the women, who had also claimed that their husbands had multiple wives, told them that they should nevertheless agree to have sex with their husbands even if they didn’t want to.
Six of the mosques also advised the women against reporting spousal abuse to the police.
https://www.theahafoundation.org/six-out-of-ten-mosques-in-sweden-gave-women-advice-about-how-to-deal-with-spousal-abuse-and-polygamy-that-contradicted-swedish-law-a-media-investigation-has-revealed/
GERMANY
  1. Die Welt 2012: 46% of Muslims in Germany hope there will eventually be more Muslims than Christians in Germany.
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article108659406/Tuerkische-Migranten-hoffen-auf-muslimische-Mehrheit.html
AUSTRIA
  1. FPO 2014: 43% of Islamic teachers in Austria openly advocate Sharia law over democracy.
http://rt.com/news/208387-austria-islam-kindergarten-muslim/
DENMARK
  1. Integration Barometer 2018: 27% of young migrants in Denmark say Islamic law should override Danish law.
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201803151062553576-denmark-copenhagen-sharia/
  1. Danish Justice Ministry 2020: 76% of Muslims want criticism of Islam criminalized in Denmark.
https://sputniknews.com/amp/europe/202005041079186984-majority-of-danish-muslims-wish-to-make-criticising-islam-illegal-minister-says-integrate-or-leave/
USA
  1. CSP: 51% of US Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/
  1. Pew Research: 72% of Muslim Americans support the proposal to build a mosque and Islamic community center near Ground Zero, the site of the 9/11 attacks on New York.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/08/30/Most-US-Muslims-back-Ground-Zero-mosque/54511314737569/
  1. American Mosques: Correlation Between Sharia Adherence and Dogma Calling for Violence Against Non-Believers.
51% have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence.
30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence.
In 84.5% of the mosques, the Imam recommends studying violence-positive texts.
http://www.meforum.org/2931/american-mosques
CANADA
  1. MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada.
https://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/
OVERALL in Europe
  1. WZB: 65% of Muslims in Europe Want Islamic Sharia Law in Their European Host Countries.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism
WORLDWIDE
  1. World Bank: ISIS Recruits are Better Educated than their Average Countrymen.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/isil-recruits-better-educated-than-their-average-countryman-worl/
  1. INSS: 99.5% of all Suicide Attacks in 2015 were Motivated by Islam.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/450-of-452-suicide-attacks-in-2015-were-by-muslim-extremists-study-shows/
  1. The Freethought Report 2013: There are now 13 countries in the world where the state can execute you for being an atheist. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/atheists-face-death-in-13-countries-global-discrimination-study-220495-2013-12-12
  1. There are 11 places in the world where homosexuals are legally sentenced to death. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/life/here-are-the-11-countries-where-being-gay-is-punishable-by-death/
  1. There are 9 places in the world that still have stoning as a form of legal punishment. Every single one is officially Islamic.
Stoning is a legal punishment for adultery in Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates, and Yemen.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/special-report-the-punishment-was-death-by-stoning-the-crime-having-a-mobile-phone-8846585.html
  1. Pew Research Centre: The Majority of Muslims worldwide favor Sharia.
84% of South Asian Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
77% of Southeast Asian Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
74% of Middle Eastern and North African Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
64% of Sub Saharan African Muslims favor enshrining Sharia.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics, and Society.
https://layman.org/survey-shows-majority-of-muslims-in-favor-of-sharia/
7. Pew Research: The Majority of Muslims worldwide believe that wives should always obey their husbands. 
85% of the Muslims worldwide believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
93% of the Muslims in Southeast Asia believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
88% of the Muslims in South Asia believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
87% of the Muslims in Middle East/North Africa believe that wives should always obey their husbands.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/05/what-muslims-around-the-world-think-about-womens-rights-in-charts/275450/
  1. Worldwide Trends on Honor Killings: 91 percent of honor killings are committed by Muslims worldwide.
https://canadafreepress.com/article/honour-killing-entrenched-in-islam
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2020.08.30 08:36 pineapplecheers Some Statistics on Islam in the Western World.

I know this may go against PWCI rules of this sub, but please don’t delete this one.
UK
  1. US Diplomatic Cables: One Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1340599/WikiLeaks-1-3-British-Muslim-students-killing-Islam-40-want-Sharia-law.html
  1. Britain’s Ministry of Defence: More British Muslims have Fought for ISIS than have Served in the British Armed Forces.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/08/21/islamic-state-americans-british/14384045/
  1. NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/many-british-muslims-put-islam-first/
  1. NOP Research: 62% of British Muslims do not believe in the protection of free speech.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. ICM Mirror 2016: 2 in 3 Muslims in Britain Would not Report Terror Plot to Police.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/659913/two-in-three-British-Muslims-would-NOT-give-police-terror-tip-offs
  1. ICM Mirror 2015: 1.5 Million British Muslims support the Islamic State, about half the total population.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/muslim-leader-isis-supporting-brits-disenfranchised-6018357
  1. NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/08/14/opinion/main1893879.shtml&date=2011-04-06
  1. AlJazeera Poll: 40% of UK Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.aljazeera.com/archive/2006/02/20084915451911371.html
  1. 25% of UK mosques have literature calling for the beheading of lapsed Muslims, ordering women to remain Indoors and forbidding interfaith marriages.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/lessons-in-hate-found-at-leading-mosques-wzbwdtb2g0n?wgu=270525_16644_15959047563588_48638ee643&wgexpiry=1603680756&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=4551
  1. Gallup: Zero percent of UK Muslims think homosexuality is morally acceptable.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/07/muslims-britain-france-germany-homosexuality
  1. Policy Exchange 2016: Half of British Muslims would not go to cops if they knew someone with ISIS links.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2308529/half-british-muslims-would-not-report-is-supporters/
NETHERLANDS
  1. Forum Multicultural Institute: 80% of young Dutch Muslims see nothing wrong with Holy War against non-believers.
Most verbalized support for pro-Islamic State fighters.
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2014/11/young-dutch-turks-radical-views-worry-mps-call-for-more-research/
SWEDEN
  1. Koopmans 2018: 52% of Sweden Muslims believe that Sharia is more important than Swedish Law.
https://www.svd.se/radikal-islamism-drabbar-alla
  1. AHA Foundation: Six out of ten mosques in Sweden gave women advice about how to deal with spousal abuse and polygamy that contradicted Swedish law.
Six out of the ten mosques visited by the women, who had also claimed that their husbands had multiple wives, told them that they should nevertheless agree to have sex with their husbands even if they didn’t want to.
Six of the mosques also advised the women against reporting spousal abuse to the police.
https://www.theahafoundation.org/six-out-of-ten-mosques-in-sweden-gave-women-advice-about-how-to-deal-with-spousal-abuse-and-polygamy-that-contradicted-swedish-law-a-media-investigation-has-revealed/
GERMANY
  1. Die Welt 2012: 46% of Muslims in Germany hope there will eventually be more Muslims than Christians in Germany.
http://www.welt.de/politik/deutschland/article108659406/Tuerkische-Migranten-hoffen-auf-muslimische-Mehrheit.html
AUSTRIA
  1. FPO 2014: 43% of Islamic teachers in Austria openly advocate Sharia law over democracy.
http://rt.com/news/208387-austria-islam-kindergarten-muslim/
DENMARK
  1. Integration Barometer 2018: 27% of young migrants in Denmark say Islamic law should overide Danish law.
https://sputniknews.com/europe/201803151062553576-denmark-copenhagen-sharia/
  1. Danish Justice Ministry 2020: 76% of Muslims want criticism of Islam criminalized in Denmark.
https://sputniknews.com/amp/europe/202005041079186984-majority-of-danish-muslims-wish-to-make-criticising-islam-illegal-minister-says-integrate-or-leave/
USA
  1. CSP: 51% of US Muslims want Sharia.
https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/2015/06/23/nationwide-poll-of-us-muslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/
  1. Pew Research: 72% of Muslim Americans support the proposal to build a mosque and Islamic community centre near Ground Zero, the site of the 9/11 attacks on New York.
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/08/30/Most-US-Muslims-back-Ground-Zero-mosque/54511314737569/
  1. American Mosques: Correlation Between Sharia Adherence and Dogma Calling for Violence Against Non-Believers.
51% have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence.
30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence.
In 84.5% of the mosques, the Imam recommends studying violence-positive texts.
http://www.meforum.org/2931/american-mosques
CANADA
  1. MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada.
https://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-good-news-and-some-worrying-results-in-new-study-of-muslim-public-opinion-in-canada/
OVERALL in the Europe
  1. WZB: 65% of Muslims in Europe Want Islamic Sharia Law in Their European Host Countries.
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4092/europe-islamic-fundamentalism
WORLDWIDE
  1. World Bank: ISIS Recruits are Better Educated than their Average Countrymen.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/06/isil-recruits-better-educated-than-their-average-countryman-worl/
  1. INSS: 99.5% of all Suicide Attacks in 2015 were Motivated by Islam.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/450-of-452-suicide-attacks-in-2015-were-by-muslim-extremists-study-shows/
  1. The Freethought Report 2013: There are now 13 countries in the world where the state can execute you for being atheist. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.indiatoday.in/world/story/atheists-face-death-in-13-countries-global-discrimination-study-220495-2013-12-12
  1. There are 11 places in the world where homosexuals are legally sentenced to death. Every single one is officially Islamic.
https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/life/here-are-the-11-countries-where-being-gay-is-punishable-by-death/
  1. There are 9 places in the world that still have stoning as a form of legal punishment. Every single one is officially Islamic.
Stoning is a legal punishment for adultery in Iran, Mauritania, Nigeria, Pakistan, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, the United Arab Emirates and Yemen.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/politics/special-report-the-punishment-was-death-by-stoning-the-crime-having-a-mobile-phone-8846585.html
  1. Pew Research Centre: The Majority of Muslims worldwide favour Sharia.
84% of South Asian Muslims favour enshrining Sharia.
77% of Southeast Asian Muslims favour enshrining Sharia.
74% of Middle Eastern and North African Muslims favour enshrining Sharia.
64% of Sub Saharan African Muslims favour enshrining Sharia.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society.
https://layman.org/survey-shows-majority-of-muslims-in-favor-of-sharia/
  1. Pew Research: The Majority of Muslims worldwide believe that wives always should obey their husbands.
85% of the Muslims worldwide believe that wives always should obey their husbands.
93% of the Muslims in Southeast Asia believe that wives always should obey their husbands.
88% of the Muslims in South Asia believe that wives always should obey their husbands.
87% of the Muslims in Middle East/North Africa believe that wives always should obey their husbands.
Primary Source - Pew Research Centre - The Worlds Muslims: Religion, Politics and Society.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2013/05/what-muslims-around-the-world-think-about-womens-rights-in-charts/275450/
  1. Worldwidw Trends in Honor Killings: 91 percent of honour killings are committed by Muslims worldwide.
https://canadafreepress.com/article/honour-killing-entrenched-in-islam
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2020.08.27 00:05 teslac0ils Becoming a minister online: are there any legal ramifications/considerations? (Illinois)

Hey, my fiancee and I want to get married on a date that isn't available by appointment at any of the nearby marriage courts, but I have a family member who would be willing to take one of those online certifications to be ordained to get us married.
Her only worry is that the status of officially being a minister will affect her somehow in filing taxes or some other way. So, I ask: are there any special legal considerations (either in US federal, or Illinois state law) that someone has to worry about once they're a minister, or is it something you can do frivolously and then not have to worry about it afterward?
(Bonus question if this isn't running afoul of the rule against "Advertising or Recommending a Lawyer or Business"- can anyone recommend a good simple place my family member can go to to be ordained to get someone legally married? It's a gay marriage so obviously we can't go with anything affiliated with a religion that says that marriage is only between a man and a woman)
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2020.08.16 08:59 thebond_thecurse completely inconsistent/nonexistent rules, discipline, and values

I have realized for a while now that my mother is completely unsure of and inconsistent about what her own values are - she jumps between political affiliations and religious groups and personal values like she's skipping rope. But I just had an epiphany in the shower that this of course also influenced how I was raised, and that normally kids have parents who have consistent rules and methods of discipline and (at least try to) impart on them a consistent set of values. But I did not have that growing up.
So here is a partial list of crazy-making things I have remembered:
- my mom told me that by the time I was middle school I used to "scare" her with how smart I was, and I realize now that I probably matured past her both intellectually and emotionally at a certain age so that she no longer knew even a little bit how to deal with me or raise me
- one thing that was kind of nice about the inconsistency and being easily swayed part of her personality was that it was usually easy to debate/talk ourselves out of getting in trouble or following certain rules, but it also sucked because sometimes mom would be really flexible and sometimes she would just completely randomly put her foot down on something that she'd been flexible about before, or completely rail on and abuse us for doing something "wrong" that wasn't wrong the week or day prior.
- I only have one memory of my mom ever apologizing to me, and it is a really hazy early memory, when I was like 4 or 5 and she yelled at me for not feeding the cat. I remember being completely shocked when she apologized cause I didn't even know that parents could apologize for yelling at you. And I have no memory of her ever apologizing again.
- She usually let my brother and me read and watch basically anything we wanted, but then she would go through completely random bouts of moral panic over what we were reading or watching. She let me sit down with them at family time almost every night since I can remember to watch Everybody Loves Raymond, which has tons of jokes and direct references to sex, but then one day I was watching Shallow Hal on cable with my brother and she came in and made us turn it off and went on and on about it being vaguely "immoral", and I'm pretty sure she was meaning mentions of sex, and from what I remember it didn't even have explicit sex scenes.
- I remember my whole life growing up I was allowed to walk into my parents room like it was nothing. I was just allowed to go into their room to find them or ask them something. Then one day I do just that and my mom starts yelling about how it's a "rule" that I'm not allowed to enter their room, and I have no respect for boundaries and I should know better. Then the next week it's fine again, and I get yelled "what's your problem?" for standing outside her door and calling for her instead of just going in.
- She let me watch horror movies like NBD for years and then one day when I am 16 I take a film class outside of school and the instructor has us watch The Shining and analyze it from a filmmaking perspective, but we don't get to finish the movie. There were like 10 minutes left, so I wanted to rent and finish watching it at home, but my mom absolutely refused and said there was no way she was letting me watch a horror movie, and she was pissed that my teacher had us watch it without her "consent", and it was the most random fucking thing, cause never in my whole 16 years of living did she have a problem with me watching horror movies. She sat me down to watch The Sixth Sense with her when I was like 10.
- She'd completely flip flop on moral panic over LGBT stuff. I first learned the word gay when my brother was watching some show/movie on TV, someone said a character was a gay, I asked my brother what that meant. He started to explain, "You know how boys and girls like each other, well two boys or two girls can like each other in the same way" (and I was like 8 yrs old sitting there thinking "makes sense") and suddenly my mother rushes in from the other room and demands my brother be quiet, "don't tell her about that!!" and I'm just confused. Then as I'm growing up she randomly is like "I don't have any problem with people being gay, I had a gay friend in my 20s", then flip flop again, it's a horrible sin. Very confusing as I was growing up, especially considering that I eventually realized I am gay.
- Same sort of thing happened when I was in middle school and was reading a comic about intersex characters. When my mom found out what I was reading she freaked out, and started arguing with me about how it was wrong and immoral (she didn't even really know what being intersex is) and she didn't want me reading it anymore. So I ended up sneaking around to read it. Then years later I brought up her freak out about that when she was going through one of her "the queers are cool with me" phases and did the BPD song and dance of "I don't remember that, that never happened, you are remembering wrong lol"
- Sometimes she would tell me how she thought I was so "cool" for being a tomboy and not having any interest in dating or being "boy crazy", then other times she would lament that I didn't have any interest in dating and didn't dress more sexually and show off my great body. It was uncomfortable.
- Sometimes my brother and me not being religious was perfectly fine and cool by her and other times it was the most horrible thing. Relatedly, my brother became really interested in mythology and cryptozoology and folklore and religion as a teenager (he's a religious studies professor now) and most of the time my mom thought that was awesome and encouraged it and bought him books on the subjects. Then other times he was a heinous heathen and she wanted him to get rid of all his devil books and she lamented the day her son went down a dark path because she let our grandmother give him a VHS copy of The Power of Myth.
- She would randomly hate all my friends parents at different times, as well as my friends. In particular she really hated my first close friend I had, a boy a year younger than me who lived next door. We became friends when I was 4 or 5. She really disliked him, bc she thought he was a brat. At the same time she would say he was a brat because his mother was too strict and he didn't like authority because of her, but she still disliked him. I get thinking a kid might be a brat, but I now think that level of vitriol towards a 5-year-old is fucking weird, and especially weird to frequently voice those feelings to your daughter who is friends with him. She particularly likes to bring up one time he spent the night and wet the carpet under my bed and didn't tell anyone about it - and I'm just like ??? you're really holding a grudge years later against a kindergartner for wetting his pants and being too embarrassed to tell anyone? His family moved away when I was around 10 and for a while I'd still go visit him at his new house, but eventually we stopped because my mom had a final falling out with his mother.
- Meanwhile, my "friend"/"boyfriend" I had in middle and high school who abused me and sexually harassed and physically assaulted me was someone she absolutely adored.
- On another weird note with that younger friend, I remember this time we were visiting after he moved, and we were playing upstairs and I don't remember how but somehow his shirt ended up on backwards and inside out (he took it off for some reason and put it back on wrong, idk??) and when we came downstairs my parents started making "his shirt is on inside out, oh, did you two have sex up there?" jokes. WE WERE LIKE 11 YEARS OLD. I remember being so humiliated and embarrassed by the jokes, why the fuck would you make a joke like that towards your 11-10 yr old child and her friend??
- sometimes she would defend me against people she thought were mistreating me (including my dad) and then she would randomly 180 and side with the people mistreating me, saying that they were right all along. I realize now that she probably did not see me as my own person ever, and was always either identifying/enmeshing with me, so she had to defend me to defend herself, or she was vilifying me as separate from/against her and had to attack me in order to defend herself.
- I think every single moral and value I have, I developed on my own, cause fuck if I know what my mom was ever trying to teach me.
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2020.08.14 21:30 Expert-Spend May I have a love reading?

I’m a pansexual male, who’s also polyamorous, and aged in my mid 20s. I’m very open to dating all 5 of the men who are attracted to me; I just need a final confirmation to see if all five are genuine about their attraction for me.
Guy 1: Virgo. An unemployed model. Drug addicted; friends of his enable him. Has told me he only has sex for profit, and through this venture, was exploited and robbed. He records himself using and posts it on the internet. Married with an infant child. Made constant sexual and flirtatious advances toward my ex fiancé, an Aquarius (which my ex rejected and told me ‘He’s not my type’). I am two years older than he. He’s aged early 20s. He lived in my state when we met, and currently lives in the Deep South. Let us refer to him as The Bobby Soxer.
Guy 2: Virgo as well. Employed. Sexually fluid. Single and bicurious. I’m the first man he’s ever had sexual attraction to. We had sex last week; before and after our rendezvous, he contemplated whether it was right to be with me by saying “I don’t want to lead you on” and “This is not REALLY me......” (long afterward) and “You were really good! I see you’ve been practicing!” (directly after). He has two gay uncles (which he has personally told me). We met as classmates in high school. I’m also four weeks older than he. He actually rejected me in high school, and set me up with a gay guy at our school. I wanted to get to know said guy, and the new guy rejected any offer to get to know me. We haven’t spoken since; it’s been 8 years since Guy 2 & myself have met, and he’s seemingly attracted to me. Is also aged in his mid 20s. We both live in the same town. Let us refer to him as Gilda.
Guy 3. Also drug addicted. Possibly has sex for money. Aged 19. Very honest and forthcoming. Lives with his grandmother and has a negative relationship with his mother (which I can relate to firsthand). We live six hours from each other; he lives in the South and I live in the Northeast of the USA. Let us refer to him as PowerPoint Presentation.
Guy 4: Somnophiliac. Aged in his early 20s. Former college baseball player. Was questioned by police over DUI charge and released the same day (he doesn’t know, I know this, about him). Is actively inactive in my life, through texting and social media. We met through a friend of mine and I initiated flirting, which escalated our relationship into him attempting to initiate sex from me—I did not give in. He says his phone is broken, every time I try to speak with him through text, and blocks me ten minutes after we begin every conversation, on all his social media handles and devices. We’ve hung out only once, in person. We live one county apart from each other. Is not consenting to sex with me, unless I am asleep and if we are video chatting, I need to be FaceTiming him before and while I am asleep. Let us refer to him as Microsoft Excel.
Guy 5: Is a close friend of mine. Aged in his late 20s. Gang affiliated (which is not an issue for me; I have dated a closeted gang member in the past). We have differing political views. Has had sex with one man prior to being vulnerable about sex with me. Has had sex with transgender women and is attracted to older women. He’s tried to set me up with his gay cousin—I have declined the proposition several times. He’s suggested I move to his state (a state where I only have one family member who I know nothing about, and hardly remember this person’s name). He has sent me one explicit photo of himself, and then refused to discuss it by asking why I don’t think women find him attractive (which I never said at all). He only chooses to speak about sex with men, when he facilitates such conversation. He also has said “You remind me of a young Malcolm X. Very strong.” After that quote, he was very disrespectful toward me. He is schizophrenic (which he has directly stated) and smokes Valerian Root (which he says gives him the same feeling Xanax gave him). Friends have personally told me “He likes you!” and that his illness has him question his romantic attraction to me. He lives on the West Coast of the USA. Let us refer to him as Time Immemorial.
My current love life is very difficult for me to navigate, because I have always said I don’t judge people, and am wondering when to draw the line and decide judging people is an understatement, by simply ending my future relationships. I am a 5 time dating abuse survivor, and 3 time domestic violence survivor (of which, one of the men—an Aquarius Sun—who had indirect attraction to me, later became destructive and threw my personal property; at the time, I was not informed of this being domestic violence, and did not file a complaint).
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2020.08.13 11:03 _kajGOD_ Balkanci vs Konjušari: A Retrospective

Western Perceptions of Slovenes, Croats & Serbs between 1918 - 1948

Content excerpted from Anglo-American print media

Summary: The state of affairs in Yugoslavia is contextualized through a comparison of the civilizational traits of its three primary ethnicities.
Slovenes & Croats are observed to be decidedly more Westernized, cultured and developed than Serbs and other South Slavs. This is attributed to their historical kinship with the Catholic West and long-term Habsburgian influences and is contrasted with the historical Eastern Orthodoxy and long-term Turco-Byzantine influences of their eastern brethren.
These key differences in conjunction with growing Serbian hegemony appear to be a major cause of the brewing ethnic tension in Yugoslavia, primarily between Croats and Serbs.
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The Serb, who has been under Turkish rule for over 400 years, and who on account of the barbarous Turkish oppression has always been in a state of rebellion, is a sturdy mountaineer, a fighter, a hardy and aggressive agriculturist and cattle raiser.
The Croatian and the Slovene, who during the same period of time have been under the rule of the autocracy of Austria and Hungary, and who have been in touch with the Teuton (German) and Italian civilization, are less sturdy but more subtle. They are very clever artisans and artists and merchants.
The Croatians have always excelled in art. Milka Ternina, the famous opera singer, is a Croatian; Mestrovich, the sculptor, is a worthy successor to his master Rodin, is a Croatian; Stefan, the great physicist of the University of Vienna, was a Slovene, and many other brilliant examples in art, literature, and science could be enumerated to prove that the Croatian and the Slovene stand high in the intellectual and artistic world.
published in 1918
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Referring to Slovenia and Croatia, which form two of the most important sections of Jugo-Slavia, the writer finds that the people, though Slavs, are in many ways different from the Serbs. The Slovenes and Croats use the Latin characters in writing, whereas the Serbs use the Russian characters.
And while the greater part of the Serbs are members of the Orthodox Church, the Slovenes and Croats are almost entirely Roman Catholic, and among their peasantry religion has a much greater significance than it has among the Orthodox Serbs. The writer goes on to say:
"One cannot possibly travel and mix with the people as I have done without being struck by the fact that the civilization and culture of the Slovenes and Croats, particularly of the former, is vastly greater than that possessed by the Serbs.
"While the Serbs, especially the country people, possess courage and many other excellent qualities, one must admit that in almost every way except in the direction of things military, they are at least two hundred years behind their brothers and sisters who have now been freed from the domination of Austria-Hungary.
"The people know full well that their standards of life and culture are higher than those of Old Serbia, and they make no secret of the fact that they desire, expect and may insist upon measures of autonomy which will give them comparatively free hand, at least in local affairs."
published in 1920
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There was for a time hostility between Serbia proper and Croatia. The Serbians, basing their demands upon the long fighting record of their country, sought to dominate the Croats. But the Croats have a history and culture of their own. Zaghreb (sic), the capital of Croatia, is a beautiful town. Its library and museum are especially noteworthy structurally and in contents.
published in 1921
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One of the worst messes left by the war was in Jugo-Slavia. "Self-determination" left a strange and incongruous mixture. Old Serbia offered an established government with a King and the new territory, far exceeding her own in extent, was nominally annexed.
But it included Croats and Slovenes and Carniolians with which the Serbs had little in common in language, viewpoint, ambitions, customs, employment or religion.
published in 1921
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During four centuries the Serbs were under the Turks. During six centuries the Croats and the Slovenes were under Germans or Italians. The Serbs are adherents to the Orthodox Church. The Croats and Slovenese (sic) are nearly all Catholics.
During the war the Serbs fought with the allies while the Croats and Slovenes, against their will, were enrolled in the German ranks. The Serb is the fighter who liberated Jugoslavia; the Croats and Slovenes are workers and administrators.
Thus, while springing from the same stock, these peoples have had different education, and have different traditions. The difference is shown in all their activities. Belgrade is an interesting, but backward Balkan town, while Zagreb is a modern place of industry and art.
published in 1922
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One racial group feels itself superior to the other, and thinks in consequence it ought to have a greater voice in the affairs of the country. The Serbians, for example, feel that by reason of their numbers and their experience in government and state-craft, they dominant (sic) part in guiding the country's destinies.
The Croats and Slovenes, on the other hand, feel that the education, culture and modern training they received under the Austrians, gives them an intellectual and cultural superiority over their brother Slavs to the South and that therefore they are the best qualified to lead the nation through the difficult days of organization, reconstruction and consolidation.
published in 1922
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In the case of Jugoslavia, the Croats, the Slovenes and the Dalmatian Serbs (sic), by their own volition, threw off the yoke of the Hapsburgs. They were equally rebellious against Austrian and Magyar domination. But in the long centuries during which they had been subjects of Austria they had shared in the developments of a modern state, industrially and commercially, at the least.
Serbia, on the contrary, was at once a backward agricultural country and industrially primitive. The land was divided among the peasants and the population lived almost exclusively in the rural districts. There were no really considerable cities, few railways, poor roads and all the circumstances which marked off the Balkans from the rest of Europe.
published in 1923
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The Croatians and Slovenes are more numerous than are the Serbs. Moreover, intellectually they claim to be on a higher level. During the centuries while the Serbs were under the Turkish yoke the Croats and Slovenes were under Austria and profited by the higher standard of civilization. While the Serbs were busy fighting for their independence the Croats and Slovenes were enjoying almost complete tranquility under the protection of the then mighty Austrian empire.
The result is that, while intellectually the Serbs have remained somewhat backward and the other two Slav races have progressed, the latter are a negligible quantity in a military way, while the Serbs are probably the best soldiers in the Balkans. Because they consider themselves intellectually so far ahead of the Serbs, the Croatians and Slovenes demand, if not supremacy in the kingdom, at least an equal footing with the Serbs.
published in 1924
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The Croats and Slovenes came under the influence of the Austrians and Hungarians. Most of them were converted to Roman Catholicism, and today they are Roman Catholics. They were affected by the civilization of the Latins rather than that of the east. They use the Latin alphabet and in the new kingdom many of the papers are printed in both Latin and Greek letters, the words being the same. This is true of the Congressional Record of the new parliament and of many public documents.
These two branches of culture clash in the making of the new nation of Jugoslavia. The Serbs think more like the Russians. The Croats and Slovenes, although they are cousins to the Serbs, are inclined to think somewhat like the Latins. The Croats and Slovenes rather despise the Serbs for their roughness and the Serbs look down upon them as weakened and on the way to degeneration. The orient and the occident clash, as it were.
published in 1924
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Political strata in Yugoslavia are still subject to the danger of serious internal strains. The official name of this new State is the Kingdom of the Serbs, the Croats and Slovenes. The name itself suggests the chief source of peril.
There are wide differences between the Serbs on the one hand and the Croats and Slovenes on the other. This "fault" follows the boundary between the influence of the two Romes, the Eastern and the Western. The Serbs looked to Constantinople for their religion and culture. The Croats and Slovenes derived theirs from Rome of the Catholic Church.
published in 1924
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The (Yugo)Slavs of the south differ from those in the north. Mixture of races has brought new characteristics. Germans and Hungarians have mixed with the Slovenes and Croats of the north. Italians have mixed with the populations along the coast. The Serbs have mixed with Greeks and Turks. And there are still traces of Turkish occupation in Serbia and German possession of Slovenia.
The Croats and the Slovenes are blonder than the Serbs or Montenegrins or the people from the coast. Indeed, in the hundreds of dark years in the history of the Balkans, who can tell what racial changes occurred?
During many centuries the Slovenes and Croats lived under the civilizing and softening influence of Vienna and Budapest. They became Catholics. They became versed in the arts and sciences. The Serbs, during almost as many centuries, were educated by the Turks. They learned bad government and stubborn, passive resistance. Finally they became free, and during 12 years fought almost constantly trying to defend their country. Theirs was a hard school. They had no time for education in arts and sciences outside of the art of war.
published in 1928
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The Serbians are Greek Orthodox, the Croats and Slovenes are Roman Catholics, and there are numerous Mohammedans in Bosnia and Macedonia. The Serbians have Cyrillic letters; the Croats and Slovenes, Latin.
But above all, the Serbians and Croats come from a different culture. Until a few decades ago the Serbians belonged to Turkey and hence to the Balkans, and the Croats belonged, as Austro-Hungarian subjects, to the Western cultural world.
published in 1928
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It is impossible to write of Yugoslavia as a whole. The North is frankly Austrian. Zagreb and Ljubljin (sic), the capitals of Croatia and Slovenia, are gay Germanic cities with excellent hotels and opera. They have an air of well kept purposeful prosperity. Their culture is particularly emphasized in order that politicians and officials may show the superiority of their Western veneer to Belgrade, which they consider Eastern and barbarian!
published in 1928
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When the great war ended, Croats, Serbs and Slovenes came together. The idea of the Croats was to have some sort of federated state. But they were overborne and the big new state of Jugo-Slavia was formed.
For ten years there has been dissatisfaction. It centers in Belgrade, the capital of the majority, and in Zagreb, formally known as Agram, the chief city of Croatia. Zagreb is a splendidly built, thoroughly modern metropolis of 100,000 people. Belgrade is slattern, slovenly. The citizen of Zagreb looks on Belgrade with contempt.
The Croats and Slovenes complain the Serbs seek to centralize all power in Belgrade; that taxes are collected and money spent for the aggrandizement of what was once Serbia to the detriment of the other portions of the triune kingdom.
Religion, too, plays a big part. Old Serbia in the main is orthodox like Russia. Croatia, in the main is Roman Catholic. The Zagreb business man is a better one than his rival of Belgrade. The Croatian farmer is a more up-to-date agriculturist than the Serbian.
published in 1928
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The Serbs do not take the Croats into their confidence; they show distrust and reserve; they carry on the internal and foreign policy of Jugoslavia without permitting the "Pretchani" to participate. The Croats say, "We are a nation of superior culture and traditions. We are asked to submit to the rule of an inferior people. We are treated as a conquered province."
published in 1928
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Croats and Slovenes are Western peoples with a Western inheritance of culture, administration and custom. The Serbs are Orientals. Even the religious denominations are different. The Croats and the Slovenes are Roman Catholic, the Serbs are Orthodox.
Ever since the union of the Croats and Slovenes with Serbia in a single Jugoslav state the Croats have conducted a campaign against what they have often described as the "Balkanization" of their country. Through Rome, Venice and Vienna the Croats have a long tradition of ordered rule and a strong and proud belief in their right to at least an equal share in governing the Triune kingdom.
The Serbs are proud of their military record. They admit that their original culture is more Byzantine than Western. They admit that in Zagreb, the capital of Croatia, there may be more culture than in Belgrade. But they say "It is only our military resistance, our dogged courage, our record of battles than created an independent Jugoslavia."
published in 1929
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By contrast with the Serbs, the Croats and Slovenians have lived for long centuries within the Hapsburg monarchy. They have adopted the customs and methods of Western Europe, the manners of living, the system of doing business. And this is also measurably true even of the Serbs of Bosnia, who came under Austrian administration nearly half a century ago.
The Serb of Serbia and Montenegro, on the other hand, continued to live the primitive life, which had antedated the Turkish invasion. The mass of the population lived on small farms, their customs were those of the Middle Ages, their methods of doing business were equally ancient, and their political morals were poisoned fatally by the double vices of corruption and violence. Magnificent as fighters, the Serbs were and remain totally ignorant of all Western method and manners.
But having freed their race brethren, the Serbs undertook to rule them. And in practice that meant the control of civilized and progressive elements by backward and primitive fractions. The Serbians were fighters and farmers, but the Croats and Slovenians were men of affairs, in the modern sense. To see their national business run in accordance with ideas which were at best obsolete with the collapse of the Turk was naturally intolerable.
And the Croats, who have a proud tradition and certainly represent all that is most progressive and educated in the Jugoslav state, naturally undertook at once to resist a domination conducted from Belgrade, which treated Croatia as a conquered province.
published in 1929
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In the centuries of different political unities the three branches of the one race developed quite differently. The Serbs have been independent of Turkey since 1878, after 500 years of Turkish oppression. They remain ignorant peasants, without even modern agricultural implements, but dependent upon wooden plows. The religion - what there is of it - is "Orthodox Greek."
The Croats have been under the influence of Hungarian civilization and are farther developed in literacy and industrial prosperity. While the Croats pose as the Peasant-Democracy, they include many wealthy aristocratic families.
The Slovenes, too, have been under modern European influences, through their connection with Austria. Both Croats and Slovenes are Catholics. Civilization in Yugoslavia is highest in the northern parts where live 1,200,000 Slovenes and 3,000,000 Croats, rather than among the 5,000,000 Serbs of the south.
published in 1929
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History has worked to emphasize the differences between the Jugoslavs. While all the nations in Europe are Western or Eastern, the Jugoslav nation seems divided into two parts by the imaginary diagonal line dividing East and West in Europe.
Lubljana (sic), the main city of the Slovenes, near the Italian frontier, is one of the most Catholic centers in Europe, while Belgrade is Orthodox; Zagreb, the capital of Croatia, is a town of strong Western vitality, while Sarajevo is more Turkish than modernized Stambul (sic).
In Slovenia, around Lubljana, we find one of the most perfect developments of the modern proletariat, while Serbian Montenegro brings us back to the class system as in pre-French Morocco.
As a rule, all of the Jugoslavs who until 1918 belonged to the Austrian Monarchy had become Western Europeans - or, at least, they looked so.
The two parts of the nation being so different, the Croats say more and more of the Serbians: "They are Balkanics, they are Orientals," while the Serbians, proud of their war record, look with contempt on the Croats and call them "Austrian."
published in 1931
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The three elements of the Jugoslav kingdom, though belonging to the same racial stock, represent considerable national and cultural difference. The old Serbs, the most sturdy stock of the Southern Slavs, are less refined, less influenced by Western culture than their brethren of Croatia and Slovenia. However, they naturally took the lead in the formation of the new tri-partite kingdom, trying to make the old Serb element the dominating factor in the life of the new state because they deemed it their right won by four years of war.
Such an assumption irritated the Croatians and the Slovenes, who, since 1878, constantly and gradually became westernized under the influence and rule of Austria-Hungary and who were unwilling to submit to the domination of the less cultured Serbian element. The Croatians especially resented the attitude of the old Serbs.
published in 1932
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The fire of rebellion burns most fiercely in Croatia, whence came the assassin, Petrus Kelemen.
Surpassing the Serbs in culture and economic development, the Catholic Croats of Croatia-Slavonia and Dalmatia, numbering three millions, clamor for autonomy. But always Alexander had refused.
published in 1934
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Yugoslavia has not yet been unified. It is too early to speak of Yugoslavia as a political entity a variety of people like Serbs, Croats, Dalmatians, Albanians, Germans, Hungarians, Bulgars and Rumanians (sic) have not been assimilated.
There are too many religious and political differences between its component parts; too many differences in the levels of education of its people. The Serbs, who for centuries were under rule of the Turks, have a somewhat Oriental outlook on life. The Croats, Slovenes and Dalmatians, who were under Austro-Hungarian rule, have a Western political philosophy.
published in 1939
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The hard core of the nation are the Serbs, a primitive peasant folk, fanatically devoted to their independence, won a century ago after many generations of struggle against their former Turkish masters. Their intense nationalism has a religious tinge from their devotion to their Orthodox Church, which is the symbol of their national identity.
Very different in history and temperament are the Croats and Slovenes of the northern provinces. These folk were civilized and Christianized from the West. They are therefore Roman Catholics, use the Latin alphabet and look westward for their culture and attitude toward life. Never under Turkish rule, they formed part of the Hapsburg Empire until it vanished during the Great War.
published in 1941
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The South Slavs, especially the Serbs, are a rather primitive people. Foreigners used to crack jokes about their new capital, Belgrade, which certainly is no Paris. Zagreb, the capital of Croatia, is much more beautiful and much more civilized.
published in 1941
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The fundamental issue which has disturbed Yugoslavia since the creation of the kingdom has been the nationality problem. The federal democratic solution - originally promised by the dominant Serbs - was later rescinded in favor of authoritarianism and centralization. Serbs, Croats and Slovenes are nations with profoundly different cultural inheritances. Serbia is Greek-Orthodox; Croatia and Slovenia are Catholic.
Serbia lived for centuries under the Ottoman Empire and retained many oriental political practices. Croatia and Slovenia were part of the Western European Austro-Hungarian Empire. The very aspect of the cities and countryside and the way of life of the people is different. Yet the majority of all South Slavs wish to live in a South Slav state; the Croats and Slovenes fought for it in the Austrian monarchy. But they did not and do not wish to live under centralized Serbian rule, in many respects backward compared to previous Hapsburg rule.
published in 1943
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The main line of division is that between the Serbs with their Greek Orthodox faith, their Byzantine culture and their background of long subjection to the Turks on the one hand, and on the other hand the Croat-Slovenes, who got their religion and culture from the Latin West and lived for centuries under the Hapsburg Empire.
But there are still other groupings like the large Mohammedan minority in Bosnia-Herzegovina, the Dalmatians of the Adriatic coast with their legacy of Italian influence, and the Macedonians who are partly Bulgarian.
published in 1944
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The dynamic factor in this political unification were the Serbs, a people with a strong national consciousness, great fighting ability and resolute ambition to mold the new Yugoslavia in harmony with their spirit and ideals.
This objective, however, ran counter to the aspirations of other elements, especially the Croats, who are Roman Catholics with a western culture, outlook and historic connections, whereas the Serbs are Greek Orthodox with a culture derived from Byzantium and bearing traces of the long period under Turkish rule.
Lesser difficulties were encountered with the Slovenes, Catholic and "western" like the Croats; with the large Mohammedan element in Bosnia-Herzegovina, and with the Macedonians, who are partly Bulgarian in affiliation.
published in 1945
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The Yugoslavs, as their name indicates, are all members of the southern branch of the Slavic race. They are thus fundamentally one in blood and language. But their historical evolutions have been so diverse that they profess different religions and have different cultures and outlooks.
The Serbs, the first to attain independence, are Greek Orthodox, have an East European culture, and are mostly small land-owning peasants, individualistic and conservative. Ardent patriots and fierce fighters, they were the primary architects of Yugoslavia and they aspired to forge the new nation in their image. The Royal House of Karageorgevitch, intensely Serb in character, naturally took this nationalistic point of view.
But the other elements politically fused in the new state thought otherwise. They thought of Yugoslavia not as a "Greater Serbia," but as a federation loose enough to enable each of them to maintain their historic individualities.
This was especially true of the Croats, Roman Catholics with a West European culture which they deemed superior to that of the Serbs. Much the same applied to the Slovenes, the Dalmatians, the semi-Bulgarian Macedonians and the large Mohammedan minority of Bosnia and Herzegovina.
published in 1945
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The Slavs of the Western Balkans were converted to Roman Catholicism, and thus became spiritually part of Western Europe. Those on the Adriatic coast fell under the influence of Italian culture, while the Croats and Slovenes to the northward became subjected to German cultural influence.
On the other hand, the Serbs and Bulgars of the central and eastern Balkans were converted to the orthodox form of Christianity from Greek Byzantium, together with its Byzantine culture. This drove a deep cleft between the Balkan Slavs with has never been obliterated.
published in 1948
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2020.08.12 00:45 timmmy8 The Last of Us Part II: A Look Back at the Major Leaks & Rumours

MASSIVE MASSIVE MASSIVE SPOILER WARNING FOR THE LAST OF US PART II, IF YOU HAVE NOT COMPLETED THE GAME, YOU WILL BE SPOILED
Here we go, what has undoubtedly been my most requested game to cover in this series, and boooooy is it a biggie. My personal most anticipated game of all time, the sequel to arguably last generation's "game of the generation", comes Naughty Dog's game that is as highly spoken about as much as it was anticipated, The Last of Us Part II. Releasing a whole seven years after the previous game and releasing just before we all embark on a new generation comes a game that has definitely made headlines, a lot of them undesirable. Putting aside these headlines, whether you agree with them or not, there is no denying the hype behind this game, and everyone clawing for information about the game from the moment the first entry ended with that perfect finale way back in 2013.
However, this series of posts is about the leaks, and boy was there a big one - unfortunately for Naughty Dog, probably the biggest video game leak ever, and that might ever happen. Fortunately for us, there were other interesting leaks, including slip ups on streams from developers, fake reveals in magazines, and a popular actor leaking that it just might be being worked on.
ONCE AGAIN, MASSIVE SPOILER WARNING, YOU WILL HAVE THE GAME SPOILED
Now, with that out of the way, lets jump in.

May 17, 2013 - Sony Register Domains For Sequels

As reported by VG24/7, a month before The Last of Us releases it seems Sony have registered internet domains for possible sequels, hinting that the series may have a future. Obviously not a real major leak, but it is our first hint that a series may be being considered, rather than a one off.
Outcome? Confirmed.

May 4, 2014 - Naughty Dog Concept Artist Teases Reveal

Marek Okon, talented artist who had worked with Naughty Dog on The Last of Us promotional material, began working on artwork that seems to show fan favourite Ellie. Here is the work-in-progress of the artwork, and as reported by IGN we can see that he also captioned the work with;
Let me tease you something... Its coming... ;]
Moments after IGN published this article, Okon had this to say;
Lol. This is how you know you are teasing your stuff the right way. So before its gonna get blown out of proportions [SP] - its gonna be strictly personal image. Is it about TLOU2? Not really... Maybe... Its classified ;P But seriously its gonna be just a fan art ;]
The beautiful finished product is viewable here. So there we have it, Okon himself admitting that it is a piece of personal art and should not be taken as a tease for the second game.
Outcome? False.

December 21, 2014 - Lead Character Artist's LinkedIN Profile Drops Name

Thanks to a discovery from the always reliable NeoGAF highlights how lead character artist from The Last of Us had recently left Naughty Dog - and that the artist in question, Michael Knowland, did indeed have a game on his resume listed as "Unannounced AAA Game", before changing it to;
The Last of Us 2 - 1 month prototyping head sculpts
While he is not credited with working on the game according to Moby Games, it does seem strange that he would list it without having actually worked on it - going on to his profile now shows that he has since removed the game from his profile.
Additionally, it seems that the current lead character artist Frank Tzeng also worked on the game and updated his resume to reflect this around the same time, discovered in the same NeoGAF thread, stating;
Helping develop a unannounced AAA game title
Outcome? Plausible. I buy into two possible trains of thought - that he did work on The Last of Us Part II briefly, or he did work on Left Behind - the original game's add-on, which launched in 2014 (the year Knowland departed Naughty Dog).

June 25, 2015 - Nolan North Confirms Sequel Being Worked On

Everyone's favourite voice actor in gaming Nolan North has seemingly spilled the beans on what Naughty Dog has been up to while answering a question at Metrocon in 2015. He was hosting his own panel when a Q&A seemed to take place and a fan asked him if he was involved in any upcoming Naughty Dog projects to which he responded;
For now, last one, I know they're doing Last of Us 2 but my character in Last of Us kinda..kinda *death noise*
Of course Nolan would know what Naughty Dog are up to, so this seems like a genuine slip of the tongue.
Outcome? Confirmed

June 30, 2015 - Troy Baker Denies Working On Sequel

Shortly after everyone's favourite voice actor Nolan North has let slip that a sequel is being worked on, it seems that everyone's favourite voice actor Troy Baker has disputed as much. As reported by GameReactor, Baker denies the claim at Indy PopCon 2015 stating;
Okay, so I'm... And by the way I know nothing. I don't know if we're gonna do another one or not. If we do, then I trust Neil [Druckmann, creative director] and Bruce [Straley, game director] and everyone at Naughty Dog to tell a story that needs to be told.
Outcome? Liar, liar. Baker sums it up right here.

September 15, 2015 - Naughty Dog Let Slip Sequel In Development on Live Stream

As reported by GamePur, during a live stream for Naughty Dog's Uncharted: The Nathan Drake Collection, held by employees Monacelli, Scherr and Baldwin, it appears one of them let slip a really big clue about there being a sequel game. While talking about animation, one of them is quoted saying the following;
and he was the one in charge of face animation for the 3 Uncharted games and the first The Last of Us game… did I just say the first The Last of Us game
The team just chalked it up to confusion, but it definitely seems to drop a massive hit that the much desired sequel is being worked on.
Outcome? Confirmed.

December 3, 2016 - The Last of Us Part II Announced

Watch the reveal trailer here!

September 28, 2018 - Did PlayStation Leak 2019 Release Window?

A thread on reddit seems to have noticed that a video from the PlayStation Music YouTube channel has seemingly listed The Last of Us Part II, followed by "2019". While at the time it was highly speculated, and assumed, that the sequel would be releasing in 2019, there was currently no official word from Naughty Dog or PlayStation that this was the plan. For those hwo want to view it themselves, here is a screenshot courtesy of u/BostonMIT.
Outcome? Likely.

February 28, 2019 - Peruvian Game Retailer Leaks 2019 Release Window

More fuel to add to the 2019-release-bonfire that is only getting larger and larger, with Peruvian retailer LawGamers seemingly releasing promotional material a little bit too early, as reported by The Loot Gaming. The promotional material is viewable right here, and advertises the game with an October 2019 release, supporting the previous two leaks.
Outcome? Confirmed.

September 24, 2019 - Release Date Announced As February 21, 2020

Watch the reveal trailer here. It does say June 19, 2020 at the end of the trailer but this was not the original upload, it seems they have edited it, here is an article from Variety confirming the February date.

October 24, 2019 - Delayed Until May 2020

The Last of Us Part II has been delayed until May 29, 2020 to make sure that the game is up to Naughty Dog standards.

April 2, 2020 - Delayed Indefinitely

With the global pandemic concerning COVID-19 sweeping the world, Naughty Dog has announced that The Last of Us Part II has been delayed indefinitely due to logistical reasons created by the pandemic.

April 3, 2020 - Gameplay Clips Leak Online

As reported by PlayStation Lifestyle, it seems that fans have tried to find comfort in the delay by seeing two new gameplay leaks for the game. While the gameplay leaks have obviously been taken down since then, but here is a description from the site Alt Char for the first gameplay leak,
It is a short, 30-second video that features Ellie and Dina riding their trusty steeds. Interestingly, Ellie talks about a certain film that she enjoyed in the good old days and to us, it sounds a lot like Spy Kids film. She mentions it has four parts and how Joel saw the last one in theatres
The gameplay description for the second leak comes back from PlayStation Lifestyle, and is as follows;
The clip starts with an in-game tag that reads “Seattle Day 3,” (similar to the tags found in the original game) then transitions to a scene of Ellie slowly waking up. Once dressed, Ellie begins looking for Dina and Jesse, the latter of whom Ellie speaks with early in the E3 2018 demo. Traversing through what appears to be a backstage area, she soon finds herself in the theater. From there, the character is able to move towards a guitar to practice.
Interestingly, it is not just a video that plays while she does this. The player will obviously have plenty of input, using the DualShock 4’s touchpad to strum the guitar, while also cycling between chords via button presses with L1 and R1. It seems a neat touch, a new mechanic that certainly carries weight for those who remember Joel’s promise to Ellie from the original The Last of Us.
Outcome? Confirmed.

April 4, 2020 - Reddit Comment Shares Spoilery Plot Details

It seems that a comment on a reddit post gained some traction after making some pretty bold claims.
Someone in the comments of the video said they saw a potentially true leak that says Joel AND Ellie both die. Joel is killed in the first few hours by Abby, the daughter of the surgeon you kill in Part One. This is apparently what happens in that scene in the trailer where Ellie's being held down. Ellie dies at the end of the story, but he wasn't told how. Jesse and Dina live. You play as Abby for half the game.
Well, as we know, this is mostly accurate. The reason this one spread like wildfire is that it claims both Ellie and Joel die, when in reality, we all know the truth. But the claim Abby and Joel is very accurate.
Outcome? Somewhat Reliable.

April 6, 2020 - Did The Whole Plot Get Posted On 4chan?

Very big thank you to reddit user u/dediusryan94 who managed to save the big possible leak on 4chan by screenshotting the whole post, and sharing it here on reddit. The whole leak is viewable in an album here, and is quite detailed.
For those who cannot view the image, or would rather read the text, here it is. I will also be adding comments about the accuracy of the leak where appropriate.
I am the immediate family member of someone working at Naughty Dog The Last of Us 2
As you know TLoU2 will be Ellie centered obviously. The stories main driving point is the romance that briefly kindled between Dina and Ellie. Not entirely accurate, the main point is revenge.
Ellie and Joel are distant because of Joel being controlling stemming from the decision in TLoU but are starting to try and mend their relationship. Accurate.
There is a love triangle of sorts, not exactly a triangle as its just two people who live Dina, being Jesse and Ellie. Accurate.
Jesse (asian guy from the trailers) and Dina were a couple. Dina is bisexual. Accurate.
When Jesse and Dina are on the outs of their relationship Dina starts to make advances on Ellie. Accurate.
Due to Dina being the girl every guy wants and having a history dating men (men being a central driving force in this story) Ellie is cautious and is unsure of how serious Dina is. Elements of Ellie's caution are seen at the start of the game.
However, after several flirtatious gestures Ellie begins to question if Dina really does loves Ellie, and Ellie ultimately begins to fall for her. Accurate.
Act 1 concludes with Dina and Ellie sharing an important intimate moment solidifying the relationship through act 1. Not 100% sure on the "acts" but definitely at the start of the game this is accurate.
That is until they are interrupted and attacked by a religious sect called the Seraphites (one of 2 groups we encounter, the other being the WLF). Not accurate, while Seraphites are in the game, they are not until later and Ellie encounters them alone.
Jackson is also attacked. False.
Dina is killed in this attack. False.
The Seraphites believe they are angels cleansing the wasteland. The old "the end of the world is cause of the sinners" trope. Accurate.
Anyone that is not a Seraphite is considered a "wolf" or "enemy to the flock (the Seraphites)". They also refer to themselves as "lambs". Inaccurate, only the WLF is referred to as "wolf".
In the vein of SJW baddies, the Seraphites dont like gays because its a sin. Not 100% sure this is accurate.
This is why all their members are *usually* white males with shaven heads of white women. And the few apostates (traitors) that leave the group tend to be minorities. Inaccurate.
Ellie vows to get revenge on the group. She does vow revenge, but not on the Seraphites.
Jesse joins her (that is Jesse in the trailer grabbing Ellies mouth, not Joel) as he also loved Dina. He is later killed as Ellie watches. Accurate. More on this later.
Ellie goes to her old house. False.
Then Joel joins her. Until he dies too. He does die, but not like this.
In the trailer you can see the Seraphites hanging people. This is because they use the old medieval method called "hanging and quatering". Accurate.
They only hang and disembowel former Seraphites. The disembowlment is for traitors or "Apostates". I believe they do this for anyone.
On the way to avenge Dina they have to cross through WLF territory. Accurate.
The leader of the WLF is Marlenes brother. Inaccurate or at least unconfirmed, the leader is Isaac played by Jeffrey Wright.
Joel dies and Ellie questions**Isnaccurate.**st for revenge was worth losing Joel who she recently mended her strained relationship with. False.
The Seraphites are all immune. False.
The cut on the cheek is a test for immunity. An infected knife. False.
Flashback happens. Yes, but for Ellie.
The mystery woman in the trailer is Ellies mom. False.
Ellies mom was looking for a cure. False.
She has a baby with a man that is immune. False.
The man is killed for sleeping with a "wolf" or outsider. False.
Marlene and Anna (Mystery woman) were friends. False.
Anna gives birth to Ellie then had Ellie taken away after being born to get her away from Marlene and the Seraphites. False.
Marlene (who is WLF) is then sent to retrieve Ellie and eventually finds her, using her friendship with Anna to win Ellies trust. False
Ellie ends up with Seraphite girlfriend who wont turn when they exchange fluids. False.
All in all, some accurate, some inaccurate. The most interesting one for me is actually the claim that the hand grabbing Ellie in the trailer is Jesse's hand, and not Joel's. In the trailer it is Joel, and content creators were actually able to play this segment of the game where they were also able to confirm that it was Joel. However, in the final game it is indeed Jesse has Joel had already died by this point of the game. This is the biggest part of the leak that lends credibility, but it also gets so many big things wrong for it to be considered a reliable leak.
Outcome? Unreliable. Gets some right, gets the big stuff wrong.

April 14, 2020 - Amazon Leaks New Release Date?

It seems that Amazon has made a whoopsie and leaked a June 26, 2020 release date. Not much more to it than this, although normally placeholder dates tend to be the last day of the month, so would in this case by June 30th, so there is some credibility to this leak.
Outcome? Inaccurate. This was never an announced release date.

April 27, 2020 - The Biggest Video Game Leak Of All Time

Here we go, probably the reason everyone clicked on this link, and why I have received dozens of messages asking when this post would be coming. It is in my opinion the biggest video game leak of all time, and there is so much to cover here it could be a whole article in itself.
The day that will go down in infamy for Neil Druckmann, and the entirety of everyone involved in the game, a leaker has managed to get their hands on over an hour of gameplay and cutscenes, sharing them online with the world. There are massive spoilers in the leak, covering big story elements that shock most fans.
The leak themselves? While I cannot share the video here, it is easy to google and find out what the major story beats seem to be for the game. This was the main source, the resetera thread covering it, but has since been edited. For those who want to see it before its changes, here is a screenshot of the archive.org of it, right here.
The main points of the leak seem to cover that;
Additionally, there was a large amount of gameplay leaking, including a short snippet of multiplayer footage which is currently being worked on as it would not be ready for launch.
So how did this leak?
One popular theory at the time was that the leak was the result of a disgruntled Naughty Dog employee who was upset over a pay dispute, and would make things right and not damage their career by leaking this. However, Sony managed to get in touch with Polygon and state that
SIE has identified the primary individuals responsible for the unauthorized release of TLOU2 assets. They are not affiliated with Naughty Dog or SIE. We are unable to comment further because the information is subject to an on-going investigation. We’re looking forward to when The Last of Us Part II will be in your hands and can’t wait for you to enjoy the full experience on June 19.
A few days later, journalist Jason Schreier shared on Twitter his version of the story, which seems to support both Naughty Dog's and Sony's claims;
OK: After talking to two people with direct knowledge of how TLOU2 leaked as well as some Naughty Dog employees, I have a good idea of what happened. Short version: hackers found a security vulnerability in a patch for an older ND game and used it to get access to ND’s servers.
I think the footage that leaked is from devs playing an early build (I haven’t watched it). Most importantly, rumors of this being an act of protest by a contractor whose pay was robbed are not true. (ND actually extended pay and healthcare benefits for contractors due to covid)
This idea is thoroughly explored and explained here in this Twitter thread from PixelButts.
Outcome? Confirmed. While there were also theories that the end of the game was the scene from the leaks where Abby confronts Ellie and Dina in the theatre, this wasn't the case and the actual ending had not leaked...yet, which was later confirmed by Druckmann. Further, this leak caused many to boycott the game due to the game's story and themes, with many disliking the direction that Naughty Dog was taking the series.

April 27, 2020 - Release Date Announced

I assume as an attempt to steal the headlines away from the leaks, the release date for The Last of Us Part II was announced for June 19, 2020 in an official blog post.

June 12, 2020 - The First Three Hours Leak Online

Just a week before the game's release, it seems that early copies have made their way out and the first three hours of the game managed to make their way online, as shared in this reddit thread. The leaks also provide context to a certain character's fate, and show the scene itself in the context of the story.
Outcome? Confirmed.

June 17, 2020 - The Ending Leaks

Just two days before the game is in everyone's hands, it seems that early copies have again let the ending make its way to the internet. The scenes in question are indeed the actual ending, showing the final confrontation in Santa Barbara where Ellie takes on Abby (and lets her live), and the ending at the farm.
Outcome? Confirmed.

June 19, 2020 - The Last of Us Part II Releases

Closing Thoughts

Wow, what a ride. Personally, this was my most anticipated game of all time, which is why this one didn't come as quick as some would have liked, I had to finish the game first. In my opinion, it is a great game, and once again my favourite game this generation - but I can understand how others may not feel that way due to the plot, the structure, the length, or even the characters.
There is no doubt in my opinion that this is the biggest leak of all time, in regards to games. The fact that such major plot elements and story elements had leaked for the sequel to last generations "game of the generation" is what makes it so shocking, and so fascinating. While other games have had the whole game leak, the fact that this is one the whole world had their eyes on, the nature of the leaks, and the contents of them, this personally takes the cake.
For those who did enjoy this post and want to read more of these look backs, feel free to check out my previous posts;
So what are your thoughts? Did the leaks impact your enjoyment of the game, or even impact your decision to buy the game in the first place? Where do you think the game will be headed in the future? What is next for Naughty Dog? Finally, what games do you want to see covered?
As always, thank you for reading and I hope you enjoyed reading it as much as I do researching it.
Cheers.
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2020.08.10 21:20 ar_david_hh Aug/10/2020 news: / Bolola: Anatolia vs Armenian Highlands / Archaeology: new Qarahunj & Dragon-stones found / Huge illegal fishing campaign busted / Sugar monopoly penalized / Yerevan's new elevators / COVID: phone metadata monitoring law / Banking in Armenia / Treaty of Sevres & Western Armenia

Sunday news, in case you missed it:

https://www.reddit.com/armenia/comments/i6p7mg/aug92020_news_secret_license_karabakh_telecom/?

Ex-oligarch's sugar monopoly penalized for predatory practices

Lfik Samo's Alex Holding will pay a $53K fine for abusing the dominant market share, says the Competition Committee.
Report: between 2018-2020, the company intentionally lowered its sugar prices to the point that they began losing money, to push competitors out of business, and to preserve dominant market share. Other instances of abuse of power were recorded.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1024535.html

COVID / Armenian test kits / Schools to reopen

No COVID stats on Mondays because they refresh facilities over the weekend.
 
Molecular Institute has so far produced 47,000 test kits (2k/day) after receiving a govt subsidy to import components from China. The kits are 98% accurate.
 
Schools will resume on September 15th. No decision yet about universities.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1024515.html , https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1024591.html

The law about monitoring COVID suspects' phone/location

On March 31st the govt passed a law to automatically scan COVID infected persons' location/phone metadata, to identify potential carriers who socialized with the infected.
 
57K residents were reached out by authorities, after scanning 6K phone calls (not the content of the call but the metadata).
1.5K people were placed in the high-risk group. 174 were confirmed with COVID.
https://factor.am/275291.html

NSS busts a large-scale illegal fishing campaign / Lake Sevan

The report says: // 127 tons of fish were illegally caught from Lake Sevan. 20 raids reveal multiple suspects.
 
In 2019-2020 suspects caught 12 tons of whitefish (sig) and used a govt-funded refrigeration facility for storage. Another 47 tons were stolen by unknown pouches and stored in the same facility.
 
NSS raided Zvartnots airport and Bagratashen border checkpoint and confiscated tons of illegal fish before they were exported. The fish were intentionally incorrectly labeled as Abumbria [Mackerel] canned fish. \\
 
They're looking for more suspects. Video: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=213983393390632 , https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1024531.html

Cholaqar municipality officials are busted...

... with allegedly embezzling a kindergarten land and leasing it to a telecom provider in 2014, as well as registering fake employees to steal their salaries.
https://factor.am/275400.html

Anti-corruption in Lori province

33 felony corruption cases in 1H20. The total number of felonies sent to court rose +108%.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1024514.html

Amulsar

A small group of environmental activists held a protest in front of Parliament building. They don't want Amulsar mining to proceed. The police issued a "COVID" warning then detained some of them.
 
"The police received a warning not to touch high profile lawyers. They only detained ordinary activists," said one activist-lawyer.
"We understand that jobs and money are necessary, but we believe the losses will outweigh the benefits," said the activist.
 
Amulsar miner Lydian said the local government broke the law by removing their trailers near the Amulsar road. "We'll proceed with our work". They examined the items inside the trailers that were damaged during the moving process.
https://youtu.be/IVAJnG265sk , https://factor.am/275517.html

Elevator replacement project in Yerevan / 500 vs 35

Mayor Marutyan: // Erebuni district is getting new elevators. 123 ongoing replacements across the city.
We'll finish 2020 by having replaced 500 units. Compared that to 35 that was done before 2018.
All elevators will have a voice system in Armenian, wheelchair access, buttons for visually impaired. Lots of jobs are created. \\
https://factor.am/275549.html

Iraqi-Armenian community...

... donated $91K to Armenian soldiers post-Tavush battles.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1024556.html

Alejandro Kuklashenko

Belarus president Alejandro fell shot 4% from Pashinyan's 85% popularity, despite drawing the election result numbers for himself.
Pashinyan called to congratulate bat'ka for not accidentally exceeding the 100% mark.
/s . http://www.panarmenian.net/arm/news/283896/

Road repairs in Gegharquniq

A section of Sevan-Martuni-Getap road is being renovated for $2M. It's an important one because it's a hub between Artsakh-Iran-Armenia.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1024545.html

How did the banks do in 1H20? / Statistics / Dram vs Dollar

17 commercial banks. 550 branches.
12,100 employees. 3.1m customers. 6.1m accounts.
80% of the population does banking.
 
Profits +5.7% or $4.6M.
 
Total capital +5.6% or $97.6M. Total assets +3.3% or $396.6M.
Total deposits -3.1% or $232M, however, deposits by resident customers +0.8% or $39M.
 
While loaning reduced around the world due to COVID, it increased by 0.7% ($58M) in Armenia. 42% went to individuals and 45% to help the economy.
 
For the first time in a decade, the volume of loans issued in Drams exceeds the Dollar.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1024561.html

Heno is doing pretty good

Roman legionnaire Henrikh Mkhitaryan is his team's 3rd player with the highest number of ball strikes (35), 9 of which ended with a goal.
He is the 6th when it comes to setting up the team for a successful goal: 22 goal setups in 22 matches.
https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1024520.html

New hole-y stones are confirmed in Qarahunj archaeological site

The "Armenian Stonehenge" Qarahunj is confirmed to have 30 more stones with holes in them. It is believed they were used for astronomy by ancient people. The 30 stones join the existing 84.
The archaeologists were joined by Byurakan observatory experts.
Photos: https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1024537.html

Archaeologists find more dragon-stones

Ancient stones with dragon drawings are a thing in Armenia because dragons were affiliated with water. Some people viewed dragons as providers of water, while others wanted the dragons killed to free the water stolen by them. (I'll take any Bill Gates theory over this thank you)
 
Hundreds of dragon stones have been found across Armenia in recent years.
The Education Ministry is restoring some of them in original locations. One will be placed in Yerevan's Circular Park.
Photos: https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1024559.html
https://hy.wikipedia.org/wiki/Վիշապ_(հուշարձան)

Treaty of Sevres / Western Armenia / 100 years later

Turkey lost WW1 and had to sign the treaty of Sevres. It envisioned a 160,000 m2 Armenia. Avetis Aharonyan even ordered a gold pen to sign it.
 
President Sarkissian: // The Treaty of Sevr is an important document for achieving a just solution to the Armenian question. It was about Turkey recognizing Armenia and allowing the U.S. to draw the borders through Erzrum, Trapizon, Van, Bitlis. Armenia would have access to the Black Sea.
The document remained unperfected due to geopolitical changes, but it remains a valid document, and many middle eastern countries got independence with it.
 
Later in 1920 Kemalists attacked Armenia and the latter became Soviet. Nonetheless, Armenians remain the true heirs of their history no matter how many Armenian monuments are destroyed and whether Turkey denies history.
Armenia never canceled Sevres. Lozan agreement did not revoke it because Armenia wasn't part of it. Res inter alios acta. \\
 
Historian Ashot Mikaelyan: // Sevres wasn't enforced because by late 1920 Soviet Russia came out of civil war and had bad relations with Antant, so it established closer ties with Turkey, who was enemies with Antant.
As a result, after the 1920 Eastern Muslim nation's conference, Russia allowed Turkey to attack the Republic of Armenia which led to its Sovietization.
Turkey was required to accept the Sevres treaty. De Jure those lands belong to Armenia. \\
 
Pashinyan: // We need to keep reminding Armenians and the world about this important treaty.
1) It envisioned a peaceful co-existence between Christians and Muslims in the region.
2) It recognized Armenia and allowed it to sign an important agreement independently for the first time in centuries.
3) It strengthened Armenians' undeniable connection with the Armenian Highlands, where Armenians lived and prospered for millenniums. \\
More: https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1024511.html , https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1024508.html , https://armenpress.am/arm/news/1024528.html

Education reforms / Ministry denies former regime's claims about "Anatolia" replacing "Armenian Highlands" / No true scandal without George Soros

Date: 2020
Location: Armenian Highlands (disputed by Anatolia)
Belligerents: Education Ministry vs Former Government
Hired Mercenaries: Գյուլնազ տատի, Pashinyan's sheep, concerned® victims of Roboserj media outlets, George Soros.
Result: Decisive Armenian Highland victory. Anatolia sustains heavy casualties and retreats to pre-2020 borders.
Background: Education Ministry is accused of omitting parts of Armenian history and altering geographical names in school history books to make it more pro-Turkey, after [secret] meetings with Turks.
 
First you need some context about what has been happening in Armenia:
After being rejected by the public, political parties HHK and ARF, and their media outlets such as Yerkir, antifake. etc, began acting "extra patriotic" with a hope to gain public sympathy. They portrayed Pashinyan administration as pro-Azeri and pro-gay (a big insult in Armenia).
 
Part of ARF's plan (ARF the party based within Armenia and not the international Dashnaks) was to launch a crusade against Education Minister Arayik Harutyunyan in 2019, by claiming he was "ruining the Armenian Language".
What happened was the Ministry allowed universities to choose whether the Armenian Language would be required for all students.
 
Ministry believes that since every student had already studied Armenian for 12 years in schools, it may not be strictly necessary for a university student, who chose to be an electrician, to study language again. Instead of language, the student can spend more time on their major.
 
ARF incorrectly claimed that Ministry was removing Armenian Language from universities. They present that as "betrayal of traditional values" and held unsuccessful protests to have Minister Arayik Harutyunyan fired.
 
It all backfired spectacularly and several ARF activists publicly quit and criticized ARF leadership for "turning the party into a tool that serves Serj Sargsyan's interests".
 
And now we have a brand new scandal, which the Ministry says is also manufactured.
As part of the ongoing education reforms, which envisions the removal of grading for <5 classes, reduced reliance on remembering and more emphasis on logic and analytics, the Ministry is also reforming how the history is taught between 5-12 classes.
A Group was created tasked with meeting with experts. One of the Group members is historian Lilith Mkrtchyan, who is the main subject of this attack by ARF.
 
Backstory: In 2016-2018, historian Mkrtchyan met a group of Turkish scholars who, as stated by her, had recognized the Armenian Genocide and laid flowers in Tsitsernakaberd memorial. Together, they published an international historical book in 2017 in which the word "Anatolia" was used to describe the region. In Armenia, people don't like the word "Anatolia" because the correct historical term is "Armenian Highlands".
 
Now the Roboserj (former regime) media outlets criticize Mkrtchyan for her past meetings with Turkish colleagues. Outlets portrayed her as a traitor, reminding that Turkey wants to destroy Armenia.
By judging from Roboserj articles, however, one of the main motives of the criticism appears to be Mkrtchyan's past anti-Serj activities and her alleged ties with various human rights NGOs, which the former regime despises.
 
Historian Mkrtchyan responded: // I participated in a 2016 initiative also attended by Turks. Since it was an international gathering, we had to use terminology used by international scientific bodies and museums. They all use the word "Anatolia".
Perhaps we Armenians have some work to do to convince the international community to use the term "Armenian Highlands", but until then, I can't change that by myself.
That 2016-2017 event is unrelated to the education reforms in Armenia. The word "Anatolia" will not replace "Armenian Highlands" in Armenian schools. \\
 
Former regime's outlets also criticized Mkrtchyan for being a member of anti-Roboserj student initiative "restart", and accused her of collaborating with LGBT and George Soros-related groups.
 
Q: your critics call you a Turkish agent.
Mkrtchyan: // Sad and defamatory. My colleagues from Turkey visited the Genocide Memorial and laid flowers. They're persecuted within Turkey. Turkish govt confiscated their passports and jailed some of them.
I'll consider suing [Roboserj circles] for defamation. If anyone has disagreements about the curriculum, they can submit their ideas. It's an open process. We've met 6,000 teachers. \\
 
Q: were your 2016-2017 meetings with Turkish colleagues secret?
Mkrtchyan: No. It was publicized.
 
Roboserj outlet 5th Channel accused Mkrtchayan of being pro-Turk. The outlet says the curriculum about Armenia's anti-Turkish struggles and other historical episodes are omitted and not all kingdoms are mentioned.
Ministry member: // it's pure disinformation. They're trying to shout "we're more patriotic than you". That outlet is trying to serve sensational materials to "this is the end of Armenia" crowd. Anatolia does not replace the Armenian Highlands in the books.
Pre-Urartu period isn't omitted. It's taught as part of "My homeland and I" subject beginning 5th class. Their criticism is political and not scientific or historical. \\
 
Along came the Education Minister Harutyunyan himself and decided to blow everything up with a canister of kerosene. He began messing with ARF.
Minister: // ARF is the one accusing us of carrying out Turkish orders? That's the party that was against Armenia's independence and wanted to hand over [hero and fighter] Andranik Ozanyan to Turkey. The reforms will proceed regardless of their noises. \\
 
This wasn't accepted lightly by ARF.
What did the Minister mean by "ARF handing over Andranik to Turkey?". A former Armenian historian circulated a disputed document claiming that ARF secretly wrote to Ottoman leader and asked him get rid of Andranik Ozanyan, who wasn't obeying to ARF.
Very basically speaking, it is known that Andranik and ARF had bad relations, and at the time, ARF was supposed to prevent groups of unruly "bandits" from roaming around Armenia.
Still, some historians denied the truthfulness of this document.
https://youtu.be/0pnSu0uy4_Y
 
More about the actual curriculum reforms (you tired yet? have a snack 🍿 now take a sip 🥤)
We're talking about 4 subjects: My Homeland and I, Armenian History, World History, Sociology.
The new system's structure is as follows: curriculum -> action -> grading ->end results. Curriculum repetition will be reduced throughout 5-10 classes.
Experts complain that the old system is too vague, non-gradable, and doesn't deliver end results.
 
Historian Mkrtchyan: // The new subject, which starts from 5th grade, is "My homeland and I". It places the student at the forefront and teaches about their surroundings, community, country, history, Artsakh, etc. It envisions interaction. They'll dance folklore dances, etc.
 
6th graders learn both Armenian History and World History; the two will be closely integrated. It's important for kids to understand what's happening around the world while certain events happen in Armenia.
 
Between 7-9th grades it gets more specific and branches out between Armenian History, World History, Sociology.
Nothing is left out of Armenian History curriculum for middle schools.
As for high school, they'll no longer be taught the same thing they learned in earlier classes, because teachers complain that kids lose interest when the subject repeats.
 
10th grade will focus on the formation/collapse of states, foreign/internal affairs, politics, society, etc. It also applies to Urartu and Kilikia.
11th grade focuses on national identify, Armenia's fight for independence, historical struggle.
12th grade is more about creating a future and focusing on various scenarios. Lots of essays and research.
 
How many times have you heard a child ask "Why do I learn this stuff if I'm never going to use it in real life?". We want to fix that by establishing a tie between real life and what they learn. \\
 
This is a developing story.
Interview with historian Mkrtchyan https://medialab.am/85319/
Discussion with Mkrtchyan and others https://youtu.be/0pnSu0uy4_Y
ARF outlet https://www.yerkir.am/news/view/209112.html
Kocharyan outlet https://antifake.am/am/news/2818
Tags: #ArmenianHighlands #Anatolia #FakeNews #ArmenianHistory #ARF #Andranik
 
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2020.08.06 23:09 LisaSKadel An American Problem

We have a problem in America! We have a President who doesn't care about saving the lives of the American people! We have a government administration that doesn't care about the average working man, that doesnt care about public health. We have an administration that REFUSES to admit that there is a HUGE problem with systemic racism in American society today and that starts with the President himself! We have a President who CANNOT even simply SAY THE WORDS "Black Lives Matter" He wont even say the words. Simply talking about racism- why is it that no one has noticed that Trump's language is geared towards the black slavery mentality? He keeps saying we need to DOMINATE the streets and the peaceful protesters (whom he thinks are thugs, anarchists, and agitators and whom he’s assumed are mostly black) but what he's really saying is we need to DOMINATE the black people. What he's really saying is these black people are getting a little too rowdy in starting to think they have some rights in this country and we need to shut that down! This is the same man who told four women of color, in the United States Congress, that they needed to "go back to their own countries"(despite 3 of the women being American born)! “Go back to your own country” is a phrase that has been synonymous with racism, so much so, that the federal government allows and encourages you to lawfully sue your boss if they say that to you, as a person of color, because it's a phrase deemed by the federal government itself, as a racist statement. The reason the federal government deems that phrase as racist is because it was said to people of color for decades as it was a way of racists and KKK members to say that if you have darker skin then you must not have been a natural born American, or that having darker skin means that you don't get to have the same rights afforded to “true” (meaning white) Americans. He said that his now infamous quote “when the looting starts, the shooting starts” came from the 1968 police commissioner in Philadelphia, however, that same Police Commissioner in 1968 Philadelphia had a long and public history of using the n-word, of using gay and racial slurs, and he was deemed as a more feverent participant in far harsher and more severe acts of police brutality, solely in the black community, than the 1968 Miami Police chief that he was originally described as quoting!! He referred to the Confederacy as part of our American heritage, completely disavowing the fact that the Confederacy was traitorous to the American ideals and to America as a whole. He refuses to admit that there is systemic racism in our country, even though he claims to be the populist president. Clearly the populace is saying that there is systemic racism in our country and it needs to change, yet the U.S. President STILL refuses to admit that fact or let anyone else in his administration admit it. Most of these are just the things he's done in the past few weeks with the exception of the four congress women so I think it's only a matter of time before we hear racial slurs coming from the president himself! He repeatedly refers to the coronavirus as the China virus or the Kung Flu despite the fact he is well aware and has been made aware several times that those comments are driving racist Americans to attack Asian Americans. He's been told more than ONCE, on numerous occasions that Asian Americans are being attacked by racist Americans because he keeps referring to it as the China virus and blaming China for the virus and yet he continues to do it. Now the virus may have originated in China, but the minute it landed on U.S. soil it stopped being China's problem and became ours, and the minute it became our problem the President should have taken as many actions as possible to stop IT, not ordering a toothless ban preventing Chinese Nationals from getting into the United States but still allowing US Nationals to travel from China to America considering how widespread the virus was in China at that time. And if we were going to prevent people from coming into the country that might be infected with the coronavirus we should have prevented all people from All Nations coming into the United States. If you don't believe that the president is a racist then think of this: when people were showing up at the state capitol in Lansing Michigan with AK-47 strapped to their backs and swastikas on their signs calling for the head of their governor, calling for the murder of their governor because they couldn't go get a haircut or get their nails done, Trump said that they were good people and he supported their protest. When people we're protesting AGAINST racial injustice and police brutality in the streets peacefully on their knee with their hands up saying “hands up don't shoot” he had them forcibly removed from a church for a photo op, and he sent unmarked federal agents to a major city without the permission of the state Governor without the permission of the mayor of that city to attack PEACEFUL protesters who are protesting that black lives SHOULD MATTER !!! He said that the words black lives matter were a symbol of HATE! When Trump was asked if he did more for black people than Lyndon B Johnson, the president that signed into law the Civil Rights Act, his response to that factoid was a sarcastic "well look how well that turned out", as if to say “yeah he gave black people more rights but now we have to deal with black people feeling like they should have equal rights.” Donald Trump said that the outcome of Lincoln freeing the slaves was a "not a good" outcome . If that's your idea of NOT racist then you have a pretty messed-up idea of NOT being racist!
With the Coronavirus As I said before the virus may have originated in China but the minute it hit our soil our President should have initiated a national testing strategy, initiated contact tracing, began testing people at all ports of Entry into the US just as South Korea did. South Korea has a National testing strategy, contact tracing, and it all starts right as people get off the plane, get off the boat, or get off the train, coming into their country so that from the very beginning of their entrance into the South Korea they were locking down the people who had Coronavirus and not allowing them out into public where they could then spread the disease. They didn't just test people who were sick or people who showed symptoms, they tested every person that came into South Korea. Right now hospitals in the United States are only testing people who have symptoms or show symptoms. Most data shows that approximately 35% of the people who have the coronavirus that we know of are asymptomatic. How can we possibly get an accurate idea of how many people out there have it if we're only testing the people that are sick and not the people who might be asymptomatic and show no symptoms. If we had a national testing strategy we could tests everybody regardless of whether or not they have symptoms, but we don't. And the reason why we don't is because the current Administration decided that since the states that had the most cases were Democratic states meaning they had Democrat governors it was better politically to leave it up to the state so that when the states failed at their testing, the citizens of those States would blame the Democrat governors. There was really no reason other than politics. what Have We Become as a nation when our national Administration puts more value on politics then actively trying to work in the interest of Public Health and save lives? what Have We Become as a nation when the political party that believes that all life is precious, believes that people should sacrifice their lives to save the economy? Is money really more valuable than human life?
When it comes to mail-in voting The president has recently said that mail-in voting is bad but absentee voting is okay. I don't know who needs to hear this but mail-in voting and absentee voting are exactly the same thing the only difference in mail-in voting and absentee voting is the name, (all of the same rulesb verifications, and processes, apply to both mail-in and absentee ballots) and as Shakespeare once said a rose by any other word would smell as sweet. Now Trump isn't criticizing mail-in voting because he truly believes that it will lead to fraud, on the contrary President Trump actively participates in mail-in voting, he just calls it absentee voting! He trusted the post office to send us all $1,200 in checks, he trusts the post office to get his ballot in securely, and lest not forget that he himself installed the current director of the United States Postal Service. He also ordered that new director of the United States Postal Service to slow down the mail 3 months before an election that would primarily probably take place with mail-in ballots. That's suspicious in and of itself, but the fact that he's trying to sow doubt in the mere processes of our election should worry every American whether they are a Republican or Democrat or any other party. We have never, before this President, worried about the security of our elections. The only reason for Donald Trump to try to sow doubt in our election is because he's afraid that he will lose the election so if he loses this opens the door for him to say “well, there was massive fraud that's why I lost I shouldnt have lost so I should still get to be the president”. He says the Democrats are trying to steal the election but he himself is actually trying to steal our election and this is based on his own words and his own actions. He is literally suing the state of Pennsylvania right now today to try to prevent people from being able to put their mail in ballots in the mail in Ballot Box! The fact that the president of the United States of America is actually currently suing states to prevent people from being able to vote in a way that HE doesn't deem politically advantageous to himself should terrify every American citizen regardless of their party . He is continuing to try to encourage voter suppression by closing down voting poll places in predominantly black areas. He’s ordered interference in our Postal Service during an election where people will use the Postal Service more than usual as a safety precaution, making it so American people’s votes will not count, making it so your vote may not count. If he wasn’t worried about losing why slow down the Postal Service you ask? Well, because with mail-in voting you have to have your votes in (postmarked) by a certain date and if you do not have that in by that certain date your vote does not count. That is the only reason he could possibly have to slow down the Postal Service. There is no legitimate reason to slow down the Postal Service none whatsoever. They've upheld a motto that nothing, NOTHING would stop The Postal service from delivering mail in a timely manner. And just so you know, the current director of the Postal Service is a massive million dollar donor to not only the RNC but to President Trump's own campaign.
 Now, if you truly are a republican, not a Trump supporter, but a TRUE Republican well then a real Republican would not stand for the atrocity of trying to steal an election. But this is no longer just a matter of Republican vs Democrat, or ANY PARTY affiliation, THIS is a matter of American democracy in and of itself, and regardless of whether you are a democrat or a republican if you support American democracy as a whole, if you support the Constitution of the United States, then this should piss you off. I'm not saying that Democrats have it right or the Republicans have it right but our president is so concerned at this point with keeping his job he has forgotten to do his job. And let's face the facts, both Democratic and Republican congressmen and women have the same problem. The vast majority of the congressmen and women have been so busy trying to keep their jobs they keep forgetting to do their jobs, so let us make this election a reckoning. Let's vote out the people who aren't willing to do their jobs but are more worried about keeping their jobs. Let's vote in people who are willing to do their job not just try to keep the job. Let's stop voting in people who get their money from Super PACs, PACs, and corporate donors and let's vote in the Grass Roots politicians, who get their money from the people and who have proved that they listen to the people. If we want to see change in America, that change starts with the voters, with the citizens, that change starts with US. If we fall we will fall together, and if we rise we will rise together! Lincoln once said “A House Divided cannot stand” and right now America is a house divided, divided by divisive politics orchestrated by the current Administration, so let US, THE American citizens, UNITE once and for all, as we are the UNITED States, and let's bring back some SEMBLANCE of unity and democracy to our country!! 
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2020.08.06 22:32 LisaSKadel An American Problem

We have a problem in America! We have a President who doesn't care about saving the lives of the American people! We have a government administration that doesn't care about the average working man, that doesnt care about public health. We have an administration that REFUSES to admit that there is a HUGE problem with systemic racism in American society today and that starts with the President himself! We have a President who CANNOT even simply SAY THE WORDS "Black Lives Matter" He wont even say the words.
Simply talking about racism- why is it that no one has noticed that Trump's language is geared towards the black slavery mentality? He keeps saying we need to DOMINATE the streets and the peaceful protesters (whom he thinks are thugs, anarchists, and agitators and whom he’s assumed are mostly black) but what he's really saying is we need to DOMINATE the black people. What he's really saying is "These black people are getting a little too rowdy in starting to think they have some rights in this country and we need to shut that down!" This is the same man who told four women of color, in the United States Congress, that they needed to "go back to their own countries"(despite 3 of the women being American born)! “Go back to your own country” is a phrase that has been synonymous with racism, so much so, that the federal government allows and encourages you to lawfully sue your boss if they say that to you, as a person of color, because it's a phrase deemed by the federal government itself, as a racist statement. The reason the federal government deems that phrase as racist is because it was said to people of color for decades as it was a way of racists and KKK members to say that if you have darker skin then you must not have been a natural born American, or that having darker skin means that you don't get to have the same rights afforded to “true” (meaning white) Americans. He said that his now infamous quote “when the looting starts, the shooting starts” came from the 1968 police commissioner in Philadelphia, however, that same Police Commissioner in 1968 Philadelphia had a long and public history of using the n-word, of using gay and racial slurs, and he was deemed as a more feverent participant in far harsher and more severe acts of police brutality, solely in the black community, than the 1968 Miami Police chief that he was originally described as quoting!! He referred to the Confederacy as part of our American heritage, completely disavowing the fact that the Confederacy was traitorous to the American ideals and to America as a whole. He refuses to admit that there is systemic racism in our country, even though he claims to be the populist president. Clearly the populace is saying that there is systemic racism in our country and it needs to change, yet the U.S. President STILL refuses to admit that fact or let anyone else in his administration admit it. Most of these are just the things he's done in the past few weeks with the exception of the four congress women so I think it's only a matter of time before we hear racial slurs coming from the president himself! He repeatedly refers to the coronavirus as the China virus or the Kung Flu despite the fact he is well aware and has been made aware several times that those comments are driving racist Americans to attack Asian Americans. He's been told more than ONCE, on numerous occasions that Asian Americans are being attacked by racist Americans BECAUSE he keeps referring to it as the China virus and blaming China for the virus and yet he continues to do it. Now the virus may have originated in China, but the minute it landed on U.S. soil it stopped being China's problem and became ours, and the minute it became our problem the President should have taken as many actions as possible to stop it, not ordering a toothless ban preventing Chinese Nationals from getting into the United States but still allowing US Nationals to travel from China to America considering how widespread the virus was in China at that time. And if we were going to prevent people from coming into the country that might be infected with the coronavirus we should have prevented all people from All Nations coming into the United States.
If you don't believe that the president is a racist then think of this: When people were showing up at the state capitol in Lansing Michigan with AK-47 strapped to their backs and swastikas on their signs, calling for the head of their governor, calling for the MURDER of their governor because they couldn't go get a haircut or get their nails done, Trump said that they were good people and he supported their protest. When people we're protesting AGAINST racial injustice and police brutality in the streets peacefully on their knee with their hands up saying “hands up don't shoot” he had them forcibly removed from a church for a photo op, and he sent unmarked federal agents to a major City without the permission of the state Governor without the permission of the mayor of that City to attack peaceful protesters who are protesting that black lives should matter! When asked if he did more for black people than Lyndon B Johnson the president that signed into law the Civil Rights Act, his response to that was a snarky "Well look how well that turned out!" as if to say “yeah he gave black people more rights but now we have to deal with black people feeling like they should have equal rights.” Donald Trump said that the outcome of Lincoln freeing the slaves was a bad outcome . If that's your idea of not racist then you have a pretty messed-up idea of not being racist
With respect to the Coronavirus-
As I said before the virus may have originated in China but the minute it hit our soil our President should have initiated a national testing strategy, initiated contact tracing, began testing people at all ports of Entry into the US just as South Korea did. South Korea has a National testing strategy, contact tracing, and it all starts right as people get off the plane, get off the boat, or get off the train, coming into their country so that from the very beginning of their entrance into the South Korea they were locking down the people who had Coronavirus and not allowing them out into public where they could then spread the disease. They didn't just test people who were sick or people who showed symptoms, they tested every person that came into South Korea. Right now hospitals in the United States are only testing people who have symptoms or show symptoms. Most data shows that approximately 35% of the people who have the coronavirus that we know of are asymptomatic. How can we possibly get an accurate idea of how many people out there have it if we're only testing the people that are sick and not the people who might be asymptomatic and show no symptoms? If we had a national testing strategy we could tests everybody regardless of whether or not they have symptoms, but we don't. There is an absence of genuine leadership in our presidential Administration as a whole. The reason why we don't test as we should is because the current Administration decided that since the states that had the most cases were Democratic states meaning they had Democrat governors, it was a BETTER political move to leave it up to the States, so that when the states failed at their testing, the citizens of those States (i.e. the VOTERS) would likely blame the Democrat governors, as opposed to our national leadership. The idea that people were dying from this disease and it needed to be addressed never factored in to their decision-making , which is in itself, an inexplicable dereliction of Duty and of leadership! There was really no reason other than politics for the administration to put the needs of the president and his possible electoral future above the needs and the LIVES of the United States of America's citizens. WHAT Have We Become as a nation when our national Administration puts more value on politics then actively trying to work in the interest of Public Health and SAVE lives? what Have We Become as a nation when the political party that claims to believe that ALL life is precious, that continues to claim that all lives matter, believes that people should sacrifice their lives to save the economy? Is money really more valuable than human life?
When it comes to mail-in voting-
The president has recently said that mail-in voting is bad but absentee voting is okay. I don't know who needs to hear this but mail-in voting and absentee voting are exactly the same thing the only difference in mail-in voting and absentee voting is the name it's called, and as Shakespeare once said "a rose by any other word would smell as sweet". Now Trump isn't criticizing mail-in voting because he truly believes that it will lead to fraud, on the contrary President Trump actively participates in mail-in voting! He trusted the post office to send us all $1,200 in checks, he trusts the post office to get his ballot in securely, and lest not forget that he himself installed the current director of the United States Postal Service. He also ordered that new director of the United States Postal Service to slow down the mail 3 months before an election that would primarily probably take place with mail-in ballots. That's suspicious in and of itself, but the fact that he's trying to sow doubt in the mere processes of our election should worry every American whether they are a Republican or Democrat or any other party. We have NEVER, before this President, worried about the security of our election. The only reason for Donald Trump to try to sow doubt in our election is because he's afraid that he will lose the election so if he loses, this fraud argument opens the door for him to say “Well there was massive fraud, THAT'S why I lost! I shouldnt have lost, so I should still get to be the president”.
He says the Democrats are trying to steal the election but he himself is actually trying to steal our election and this is based on his own words and his own actions. He is literally suing the state of Pennsylvania right now to prevent VOTERS from being able to put their mail in ballots in the mail in Ballot Boxes! He is continuing to try to encourage voter suppression by closing down voting poll places in predominantly black areas. He’s ordered interference in our Postal Service during an election where people will use the Postal Service more than usual as a safety precaution, making it so the American people’s votes will NOT count. Making it so your vote may NOT count. If he wasn’t worried about losing, then why slow down the Postal Service? BECAUSE with mail-in voting you have to have your votes postdated by a certain date and if you do not have your ballot postdated by that certain date your vote does not count. That is the only reason he could possibly have to slow down the Postal Service. There is no legitimate reason to slow down the Postal Service none whatsoever. The current director of the Postal Service is a massive donator to not only the RNC but to President Trump's own campaign.
 Now, if you truly are a republican, not a trump supporter, but a Republican, (because there is a vast difference between the two) a real Republican would not stand for the atrocity of ANY candidate trying to steal an election. THIS is no longer a matter of Republican vs Democrat, or ANY PARTY affiliation, THIS is a matter of American democracy in and of itself, and regardless of whether you are a democrat or a republican, if you support American democracy as a whole AT ALL, if you support the Constitution of the United States AT ALL, then this should piss you off. I'm not saying that Democrats have it right or the Republicans have it right, but our president is so concerned at this point with keeping his job he has forgotten to DO his job. And let's face the facts, both Democratic and Republican congressmen and women have the same problem. The vast majority of the congressmen and women have been so busy trying to keep their jobs, that they keep forgetting to DO their jobs, so let us make this election a reckoning. Let's vote out the people who aren't willing to do their jobs but are more worried about keeping their jobs. Let's vote in people who are willing to DO their job, not just try to keep the job. Let's stop voting in people who get their money from Super PACs, PACs, and corporate donors and let's vote in the Grass Roots politicians, who get their money from the people and who have proved that they listen to the people. If we want to see change in America, that change starts with a voters, with the citizens, that change starts with US. If we fall we will fall together, and if we rise we will rise TOGETHER! Lincoln once said “A house divided cannot stand” and right now America is a house divided, divided by divisive politics orchestrated by the current Administration, so let US, THE American citizens, Unite once and for all, as we are the UNITED States, and let's bring back some semblance of unity and democracy to our country!! 
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2020.07.23 00:01 UnlikelyMantisShrimp FFIL made a Facebook for the sole purpose of publishing his racist commentary and religious delusions. I’m brown and FFIL wants me out of FH’s life.

X-posted from relationship_advice:
Hi everyone, this one’s going to be QUITE long. My apologies in advance— there’s a LOT of background. Please read, if you can. I’m at my wits end and need advice.
FH and I are high school sweethearts who’ve been together for 5 years and have known one another for 7. Our relationship is a JOY, and we’ve decided to get married in 2021 for both love and practical reasons (part of this is increasing my chances of getting financial aid for law school). We’re an interracial couple— I’m half Filipino/white and identify as Asian, and FH is white.
When we announced the engagement in January, my family was thrilled. They adore FH. And his family was surprisingly fine with it.
Background: FH’s family is devout Catholic (and when I mean devout, I mean that literally every facet of his life has been tinted with catholic obsession). Neither parents work because FBIL (23) has substantial intellectual and physical disabilities, and is violent, so they’re his full-time caretakers (and they can do so because FFIL’s dad is an actual millionaire). FMIL does all the work— cleaning, cooking, feeding FBIL. FFIL mostly does oddball activities— watching movies from the 70s, selling his car and buying new ones, and almost daily (pre-COVID) meeting with priests. That, and going on YouTube to watch “Muslim concerts to catholic— heartwarming” videos and calling Muslims “sinful Islamists.”
FFIL and FMIL are brilliant on paper. They met in the University of Chicago’s MBA program. But FMIL’s role in the home is the “silent catholic wife,” and she nods along to the behaviors of FFIL. FFIL is what our therapists have speculated might be psychotic, or at least, delusional. He writes Nancy Pelosi every day, he thinks Princess Diana is his guardian angel, he thinks he’s unlocked the perfect way to pray, etc. He also thinks he’s in a grand conspiracy where he’s being targeted by some agency for being Catholic, and he thinks the cops are after him. He used to own guns but sold them all because he believed Obama would personally step in to take his guns away. Despite being very religious and having some right-wing beliefs, they’re really pro-immigration, adopted a Mexican daughter, etc. I didn’t think they were racist until recently.
When they met me in 2016, FFIL’s parents had a bit of a problem with me from the start. First time I met FFIL, he approached me while FH and I were playing board games at his house. He told me that he wanted me to know that I must be “pure and chaste,” and not “to do anything that will compromise the purity of the relationship with my son.” Then he pulled a medal with the Virgin Mary on it, and told me I must carry it with me at all times. The card listed “facts” about virginity.
At some point, they found out that my dad is catholic (ex) and my mom was loosely raised Protestant. FFIL went on a tirade at dinner, telling me that their marriage should have fallen apart because Protestants are basically heretics. I told him that my parents are indeed divorced. He went off about how I wasn’t raised right, that my parents would burn in hell, etc. I looked to FMIL and she smiled, nodding along in silence like she always does. I was 16 and immature, and I started to cry. FH was whisked away and told that “marriage only happens once, so don’t ever marry this one. She has some sins to be healed of.”
Over the years, I’ve been low to no contact with FFIL and FMIL. It was fine because FH and I were just dating. Still, I was disgusted by the once-in-a-blue-moon texts to FH from FFIL about how he should convert me, or how I’m sinful, etc. FH carried on a lie that I was attending catholic mass to keep the texts at bay. Once, FFIL attended a banquet I was at celebrating our debate team, at which I was asked to speak, and he pulled me aside and told me he wants me to get on a plane and “leave the country” for critiquing the DHS.
I wrote them off a long while ago, but now that I’m marrying their son, I’ve made an effort to be more cordial. Part of this, stupidly, was agreeing to have my wedding in the Catholic Church (something we just decided isn’t actually happening since we’re officially disgusted by how they’ve handled the pedophilia crisis, how they’re anti-gay, etc.). They were happy at first about our marriage, until I realized that FFIL had wrote on a form for the priest about our wedding that he thinks I may have “coerced” FH into marrying me with our cohabitation (read: sex).
Whatever. I rolled my eyes at that but I didn’t care enough. That was until he told us he recommended I check out the religious tips that he’s posted to his Facebook page. The page has no followers or friends.
Now here is where this post actually begins. We looked at the Facebook page, and it was full of racist garbage.
It was early June, when the protests over the death of George Floyd began. FFIL had both general nonsense (“Vote [FFIL] for president. Against abortion. For prosperity for all people.”) and racist BS. He posted about how he believes that BLM is calling for “the genocide of whites,” that under the Obama admin., “90% of jobs were held by non-whites,” that he thinks he was fired (he was fired from his job(s) in the early 2000s) 11 different times because of brown people who didn’t “deserve” his job, etc.
The term “white genocide” set us off. FH and I decided to comment, and we took a measured approach. FH commented things like, “Dear dad, I see you’re worried about the state of the country. I understand that the country is in anguish right now, but the term ‘white genocide’ is very serious. It’s used by Nazis, and I know how much you hate them, but they use the term as a talking point often to mean that they think interracial marriages and POC having children is disgusting. I know you don’t feel that way, so maybe you could use a different term.” FFIL deleted FH’s comments. I commented things in a similar tone, asking for clarification on what he meant, expressing that I am hurt by some of his comments, etc. Comments deleted again.
FFIL then began messaging me, telling me that racism isn’t real and that I should have more pity for HIM because he was bullied as a child by his sister (??). He then went on a rant about how brown people are taking all the jobs even though they’re universally unqualified. He said the same applies to my father, who is an engineer like FFIL used to be, then walked it back and said he “can’t know [my] father’s capabilities.” I told him, bluntly, that I find his words appalling.
Privately to FH, he let FH know that he will continue to use “white genocide” as he pleases, because he feels “hunted by non-whites,” and that FH should not marry me. If he did, “it would be the biggest mistake of your life.” The next morning, FFIL made a post calling me “the threatening non-Anglo” and another post about how we need the broadest access to self-defense measures possible in case “the non-whites try a Rwanda against the whites, which I fear is coming.” He also posted that anything racist he had ever said (we showed him YouTube comments he’d left once calling a Muslim a “sandmonkey towelhead”) were “ISIS hacks” into his accounts.
FMIL called us to tell us that FFIL doesn’t have a racist bone in his body, and that he “smiles at little black children” in public and he’s just “stressed by riots.” When we told her that it’s unacceptable how FFIL responded to me, she said that despite FFIL calling me a “mistake,” FFIL “loves and adores me so much.” FMIL says she believes that he’s such a good man that he never could possibly have called anyone a sandmonkey, so she agrees that he must have been hacked, if not by ISIS then by some agency targeting FFIL.
We asked for him to give us an apology, and days later, FMIL called us saying that FFIL is “fragile” and doesn’t respond well to “aggressive women” because his mother was an alcoholic, so I’m required to “forgive.” She wants me to apologize to FFIL for my “aggression.” She also expressed that she wishes I would convert to Catholicism. FH maintained the lie that I’m “considering conversion,” which makes my blood boil (but that’s a separate issue, I guess). FMIL also believes that FFIL didn’t use the term “white genocide,” and if he did it was defensible, and she believes this because FFIL said he never used that term.
FH expressed to FMIL that this incident, plus a long history of delusions, makes him worry for his father’s mental state, and that our therapists (who we started seeing because of this incident) think that he possibly is psychotic and possibly schizophrenic. FH wants to see if there’s any chance he’d be open to talking to a professional (even catholic affiliated counseling or faith based counseling) because he’s worried that the dad’s mental state is regressing as he ages as well. FMIL claims he has ADHD only but that she’ll try to get him help. She’s made no attempt to do so in the past month, despite gentle pestering from FH.
It’s been one month since this incident, and he blocked us on FB with the help on FMIL, who doesn’t think that it’s healthy for him to have access to a public platform, so she also restricted his account to “just me” in the privacy settings. With a few therapy sessions, we decided that little contact is best for us with FFIL, but FH wants to keep FMIL in his life, despite her defending FH’s racism towards me (even including her saying that calling me a “threatening non-Anglo”) was innocent. In the past two weeks, I’ve also learned that when FH was a kid, FFIL threw a hamster at the wall, has called FMIL “stupid” and “in the way of FFIL’s relationship with God.”
The final straw here is that last night, we realized that FFIL unblocked FH and I, and he’s made his posts public. Now he’s posting about how he thinks “white nationalism” is really just “patriotism” and he defends and stands with white nationalists. For me, that’s just too much to hear coming out of the mouth of FFIL, mentally ill or not. FMIL sees no problem with his behavior, and FH is upset, but wants to ignore it and just play nice with his mom. I’m supposed to pretend it doesn’t bother me that she defends his behavior and that FFIL is openly racist, and I’m supposed to smile, have them at the wedding I’m paying for by working four jobs (and having my brown family members at), and go on trips with them. We’re supposed to go fishing with FMIL and FH’s 7 year old nephew in a week, but I kinda feel like I’m just rewarding FMIL with my company and kindness if I were to attend.
I don’t really know what to do. I just feel like I’m in over my head marrying into a family like this, and FH loves me, but isn’t really willing to go no-contact because he thinks he can somehow “fix” his dad. The therapists have told him that it’s not really likely to work out that way. Still, he loves his family, and I understand why he wants to persist. But it does hurt me to feel like I have to accept the strange religious abuse and racist commentary and the gaslighting that FFIL “loves me” and “loves minorities and all religions,” which is almost worse than the abusive behavior itself. I don’t know what advice I’m looking for in particular, but if anyone has thoughts on what to do, please help.
Especially wedding-wise. I just wanna cancel the whole thing and elope, but FH wants a church wedding.
TL;DR: FFIL made a Facebook where he yells about how the non-whites are going to cause a “second Rwanda” against whites, so the whites need to literally arm themselves, among other racist musings; I’m brown, and wish we could go no-contact, but FH is determined to “save” FFIL from his mental illness.
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2020.07.21 01:09 LearningIsListening A not-so-brief rundown of the letter M in Jeffrey Epstein's 'Little Black Book'

Below is a rundown of the letter M under Epstein's contacts. Last year, I wrote about letters A-C. You can check that out here (https://www.reddit.com/conspiracy/comments/cpis3n/a_brief_rundown_of_the_first_ten_pages_of_jeffrey/).
I also wrote about letters D-F on July 5, 2020. You can check that out here (https://www.reddit.com/conspiracy/comments/hlrba8/a_notsobrief_rundown_of_letters_df_in_jeffrey/).
I posted letters G-I on July 13, 2020. You can check that out here (https://www.reddit.com/conspiracy/comments/hqko0y/a_notsobrief_rundown_of_letters_gi_in_jeffrey/).
I posted letters J-L on July 15, 2020. You can check that out here (https://www.reddit.com/conspiracy/comments/hrq9bg/a_notsobrief_rundown_of_letters_jl_of_jeffrey/). There are some misspelled names. Epstein entered their names like this.
I have bolded some of the more interesting connections and information, but there could be much more that I overlooked. I hope something here strikes an interest in someone and maybe we can get more investigations out of this. Please, if you know anything more about any of these people than what is presented here, post below. I am working off of the unredacted black book found here: https://www.coreysdigs.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Jeffrey-Epsteins-Little-Black-Book-unredacted.pdf
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Mack, Carol & Earl: Carol Mack (nee Dickey) is an interior designer. Carol is a friend of Epstein and Ghislaine (https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/carol-mack-jeffrey-epstein-and-ghislaine-maxwell-attend-news-photo/1161443015?adppopup=true). Earle Mack was the US Ambassador to Finland from 2004-2005. He is a businessman involved in real estate and investing.
Macmillan, Dave & Bella: David is a publisher and the grandson of Harold Macmillan, former British Prime Minister (1957-1963). Bella is a British socialite and author. She also designed dresses for Princess Diana. They are now divorced. David and Bella made news in 2015 when it was revealed that Michael Lynton, the CEO of Sony Pictures, jokingly mentioned firing the UK culture minister so that David can take over (https://www.theregister.com/2015/04/18/sony_emails_lynton_vaizey/). David and Bella were voted a top 50 power couple over the age 50 back in 2013.
Magaziner, Ira C: Was the senior advisor of policy development for President Bill Clinton. He now serves in a leadership role for the Clinton Foundation. He is a CEO and Vice Chairman of the Clinton Health Access Initiative which helps people gain access to medicine and health services in low and middle income countries, most notably in Africa. Remember, the Clintons helped bail out their colleague, Laura Silsby, who was caught trying to traffick 33 Haitian children (https://harvardhrj.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/14/2009/09/King.pdf). Most importantly, Magaziner traveled on the Lolita Express on several occasions (https://www.golocalprov.com/news/exclusive-sexual-predator-jeffrey-epstein-tied-to-ris-ira-magaziner-father), including the infamous flight that included Epstein, Clinton, Kevin Spacey, Naomi Campbell, and Chris Tucker. Magaziner also flew with Ghislaine Maxwell, also (https://www.golocalprov.com/news/new-epstein-associate-maxwell-who-flew-with-ira-magaziner-arrested).
Maguire, Jennifer: Jennifer Maguire Isham is the former president of the Tribeca Film Festival where she worked closely with Robert De Niro. There are tons of pictures of them together. Before that, she was senior vice president of programming at CNN and worked at ABC where she was a producer and senior staff member at Primetime Live and ABC News. Her husband is VP and Washington Bureau Chief for CBS News. Jennifer and her husband were photographed with Ghislaine Maxwell at Epstein friend Peggy Siegal’s birthday party in 2007 (https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/jennifer-maguire-isham-chris-isham-and-ghislaine-maxwell-news-photo/609461442).
Mahler, Giovanni: Businessman in the gas industry. He co-founded Navigator Gas shipping company. The most interesting story revolving around Mahler can be read here (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/millionaires-wife-is-killed-by-speedboat-in-sardinia-305350.html). Mahler was on a motorboat on the way to his yacht in Sardinia where close friend Flavio Briatore (Briatore is Naomi Campbell’s ex-boyfriend and was photographed with Epstein victim Virginia Roberts several times - https://www.the-sun.com/news/265368/prince-andrew-epstein-scandal-accuser-virginia-roberts-posts-chilling-message-aimed-at-naomi-campbell-and-ghislaine/) waited. On the way to the yacht, Mahler and the others on board struck and killed Alex Ciardi, wife of investment banker Giuseppe Ciardi. Turns out that Alex Ciardi worked with the NSPCC, a children’s charity that several others in Epstein’s ‘black book’ (Jemma Kidd, Tim Jeffries, Mary Glanville, Clare Hazell-Ivaegh, Ben Holland-Martin) and Princess Margaret have served. The accident occurred close to Silvio Berlusconi’s villa. Berlusconi is a billionaire businessman and four-time former Prime Minister of Italy who throws infamously raunchy Bunga Bunga parties. He was convicted of paying an underage prostitute for sex, but those charges were later overturned.
Mahoney, Sean: A long-time investment banker at Goldman Sachs and Deutsche Bank.
Mailer, Michael: Movie producer. Son of Norman Mailer, the famous author and journalist.
Mailman, Josh: Not enough info.
Malek, Harry & Didi: Diddi owns a fine art consultancy company that gives guidance to buyers and collectors. No info on Harry.
Malenga (Mandela) Machel: A managing director at Whatana Investments Group in Mozambique. His father, Samora Machel, was the first president of Mozambique. He died in an airplane crash in 1986 under mysterious circumstances. His mother, Graca Machel, runs the company. After her husband Samora died, she married Nelson Mandela, who died in 2013.
Malina, Marjorie: Wife of Frank Malina who co-founded Aerojet, an American rocket and missile propulsion manufacturer. Frank went on to become head of scientific research at UNESCO before creating Leonardo, a peer-reviewed research journal. Frank was inducted into the International Space Hall of Fame in 1990. Marjorie is the mother of Ghislaine’s brother-in-law, Roger Malina.
Malkin, Shelly & Tony: Shelly comes from major oil money. Her grandfather founded Belco Petroleum, which was bought out by Enron in the ‘80s. Tony is the chairman, president, and CEO of Empire State Realty Trust, the real estate investment company that owns the Empire State Building, and other properties around New York.
Mallinckrodt, Mr. Philip: A former investment banker with Credit Suisse, Schroders, and Citibank. Has served as non-executive director of The Economist, a weekly newspaper that focuses on current affairs, international business, politics, and technology, for the last three years. The Rothschild family owns 21% of shares in the company. Mallinckrodt is a member of The Pilgrims Society and takes part in the World Economic Forum in Davos.
Manconi, John: Businessman who hosts super exclusive charity polo events attended by Prince Charles, Harry, and Andrew (https://variety.com/2002/scene/vpage/royals-have-splendid-time-1117868882/).
Mandelson, Peter: European Trade Commissioner from 2004-2008. A Labour party politician who held several cabinet posts under suspected pedophile Tony Blair and was First Secretary of State from 2009-2010. Mandelson was a very close friend of Epstein’s. Mandelson (allegedly) phoned Epstein in 2009, while Epstein was in jail, to ask Epstein to arrange a meeting with him and Jamie Dimon, the head of JP Morgan. Epstein agreed to do so, often addressing Mandelson by the nickname “Petie” (https://nypost.com/2019/10/20/uk-politician-peter-mandelson-allegedly-called-jeffrey-epstein-in-jail-for-a-favo). Mandelson was introduced to Epstein through Ghislaine Maxwell (they met through her father), who he has been friends with since the 1980s. He is also a very close friend of Prince Andrew. Mandelson is confirmed to have stayed on Epstein’s island and had dinner at Epstein’s NYC mansion with Donald Trump, David Blaine, and Sergey Brin, co-founder of Google (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7412517/Peter-Mandelson-Jeffrey-Epstein-Ex-Labour-minister-shopping-depraved-financier-2005.html). If you scroll through the article, you will see pictures of Mandelson shopping with Epstein, as well as pictures of him with Prince Andrew. Mandelson has long been suspected of giving tax breaks to Russian oligarchs, although he has denied these charges. Mandelson is gay and has been living with his partner for over 20 years.
Manfredini Alessandro: A sculptor and graphic artist who turned to modeling in his 40s (https://made-to-measure-suits.bgfashion.net/article/14889/77/Alessandro-Manfredini-the-man-who-became-famous-with-his-beard).
Mangope Eddie: Son of Lucas Mangope, former President of Bophuthatswana in South Africa, a nation which further propagated apartheid.
Manners, Eddie: Lord Manners is the son of the 10th Earl of Rutland and an investment banker. He lives at Haddon Hall, a beautiful old mansion.
Manners, Miss Lucy: An interior designer who is the cousin of Eddie (mentioned above) and the Duke of Rutland. Lucy is a very close friend of Sarah, Duchess of York (Prince Andrew’s first wife), a close friend of Epstein’s, and even served as her lady-in-waiting. Manners lives at Eastnor Castle, which houses 96 rooms.
Manners, Terssa: Teresa is the daughter of the 10th Duke of Rutland and sister of Eddie and the 11th Duke of Rutland. She was the cover girl for Tatler and posed for Vogue, two magazines that feature many Epstein contacts.
Manzano, Jose Luis & Alejandra: Jose Luis is an Argentine businessman and former politician. He is a partner in Grupo America, the second largest multimedia group in the country. He has given money to the Clinton Foundation and The Climate Reality Project ran by Al Gore.
Mappin, John: Scientologist owner of Camelot Castle and is a “central figure behind Turning Point UK, the British arm of the pro-Trump American student organization” (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/11/trum-and-farage-supporter-flies-flag-for-qanon-rar-right-conspiracy).
Margolis, Eric: A journalist who worked as contributing editor for the Toronto Sun and has appeared on CNN and on the Huffington Post website. He inherited Canadian vitamin manufacturer Jamieson Laboratories, which he sold for $300 million in 2014. Margolis chastises Epstein, Maxwell, Clinton and others and denies doing anything inappropriate, although he does claim to have been to Epstein’s homes in NYC and Florida. He says that he suspected it was a ‘honey trap’ (https://ericmargolis.com/2019/07/the-honey-trap-on-e-71st/).
Marks, Stephen & Alisa: Stephen is the founder and chairman of French Connection clothing brand. Alisa is his gold digging ex-wife.
Marocco, Manilo & Pia: Manilo is an investment banker. He attended a gala for the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC), along with Ghislaine Maxwell, Naomi Campbell, and several other people mentioned in Epstein’s contact list (https://www.tatler.com/gallery/the-nspccs-charity-gala). The number of suspected pedophiles and child traffickers that are involved with the NSPCC is mindblowing. His ex-wife, Pia, is close friends with Allegra Hicks (https://www.pressreader.com/uk/evening-standard-west-end-final-extra-es-homes-and-property/20080305/281767034925175), who is also in Epstein’s book.
Marsh, Jeremy: Has served as a managing director and president of Warner Bros. Records, Virgin, Telstar, and RCA.
Marterier, Astrid: A fashion consultant who used to work as VP of Global Sales and Merchandising for several brands, including Von Furstenberg, whose family makes several appearances on this list.
Martins, Peter: Leader of the New York City Ballet who was forced to retire in 2018 because he was accused of sexually abusing his dancers, dating back decades (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/01/arts/dance/peter-martins-resigns-ballet.html). Of course, he was eventually found to be innocent of these charges. Coincidentally, it seems as though Epstein target dancers at NYC studios, including one who was approached by an intermediary after ballet class (https://www.pointemagazine.com/jeffrey-epstein-dancers-2640183763.html?rebelltitem=2#rebelltitem2).
Marzotto, Matteo: Fashion mogul. Marzotto’s family owned Valentino fashion before selling in 2006. He used to date scumbag supermodel Naomi Campbell, who is embroiled in Epstein’s child trafficking and child abuse ring. They broke up because of her fiery temper (https://www.bild.de/news/bild-english/supermodels-ex-matteo-marzotto-says-temper-caused-split-8361996.bild.html).
Mason, Christopher: A journalist and author who writes about the rich. Best friend of Ghislaine Maxwell. Sang a raunchy song for Ghislaine at her birthday party in 1994 (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/15/us/ghislaine-maxwell-epstein.html). Mason is going to appear in the docu-series, “Surviving Jeffrey Epstein” next month and has turned his back on Maxwell since finding out about her participation in the pedophila and child trafficking ring (https://nypost.com/2020/07/04/friends-fear-ghislaine-maxwell-is-in-danger-worried-for-her-safety/). The fact that he is denying any knowledge of what happened and is actually participating in this docu-series should tell you how full of shit this guy is.
Massimo, Parisi: Founder of Baltic Model Management.
Mattsson, Carolina: Owns a consulting company in Sweden. No other info found.
Mavroleon, Caitlin: Creative Consultant and Creative Direct for Art for Youth London, a charity that raises money for UK youth. Comes from a family of Greek shipping magnates.
Mavroleon, Basil & Carina: Basil is still involved in shipping, working at Genco as an Independent Director.
Mavroleon, Carlos: This guy lived a life-and-a-half. Heir to the family fortune, Carlos became disillusioned with his privileged status. He moved to Afghanistan and converted to Islam. He moved back to Britain two years later, heavily involved with drugs, specifically heroin. Despite this, he went to Harvard and became a friend and guest of the Kennedys at their home in Hyannisport. After nailing Mary Richardson, Bobby Kennedy Jr’s future wife, he joined the Mujahideen and even led attacks against the Russians. He returned to Britain and nearly married the daughter of former British politician Michael Heseltine, who has some serious pedo connections and is listed in Epstein’s book (check out my G-I thread for more info). Carlos would go on to become a war reporter and was charged with looking for Osama Bin Laden for the news program ‘60 Minutes’. He was found days later, dead of a heroin overdose, in a sleazy hotel on the outskirts of town. Many conspiracies abound (including from his family) who believe he was murdered because he was found with a heroin needle and it was well known that he never injected (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1216159/The-drug-addict-friends-haunt-Trinny-Woodall.html).
Mavroleon, Manoli: From the same Greek shipping magnate family. His name was listed in the Panama Papers (https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/nodes/11000305) for using offshore tax havens.
Mavroleon, Mr. Bluey: Father of Carlos (above) and Nicholas (below). Ran the family company for a while.
Mavroleon, Nicholas & Barbara: Nicholas works in the family business. His ex-wife, Barbara Carrera, is a model and actress.
Maxwell & Laurens, Ms Anne: Anne is Ghislaine’s eldest sister. She is a failed actress who became a hypnotherapist in Surrey.
Maxwell Malina, Christine: Older sister of Ghislaine. Used to run the West Coast office of Pergamon Press for her father in the ‘70s and ‘80s. She is a successful Internet content pioneer and educator. Rumors swirl about her involvement with tracking software and working for Israeli intelligence. Twin sister of Isabel (below). There is a great article on the Maxwells and their in-laws, particularly Christine’s husband, Roger Malina (https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epstein-friend-ghislaine-maxwell-has-more-skeletons-in-her-family-closet-than-a-house-of-horrors?ref=scroll).
Maxwell, Debbie: No info found.
Maxwell, Dr & Mrs Philip: Philip is Ghislaine’s older brother. Had a horrible relationship with his father. Wanted to become a writer.
Maxwell, E: Ghislaine’s mom. Died in 2013.
Maxwell, Ian & Tara: Ian is Ghislaine’s brother and a businessman. In 2018, he and his brother Kevin (listed below) founded the UK Think Tank called Combating Jihadist Terrorism (CoJit), which is ironic considering that most, if not all, of the family are likely Israeli intelligence.
Maxwell, Isabel: Older sister of Ghislaine. Co-founded Magellan with sister, Christine, and has served on the World Economic Forum (as has Philip Mallinckrodt, listed above). Along with twin sister, Christine, is rumored to be involved in tracking software and Israeli intelligence. This Reddit thread on the family is rather fantastic (https://www.reddit.com/Epstein/comments/eswqq4/ghislaine_maxwells_sisters_involved_with_silicon/).
Maxwell, Kevin and Pandora: Kevin is Ghislaine’s older brother and co-founder of the UK Think Tank called Combating Jihadist Terrorism (CoJit) with brother Ian (above).
Maxwell, Marcella: Ghislaine’s niece. Daughter of Philip Maxwell.
Mayhew, Mr John: Owner of the famous Rules restaurant in Covent Garden. Inherited the Lartington Estate.
Mazandi, Yassi: Sculptor and painter.
Mazzoti, Mateo: Violin maker.
MC & Allenor: Not positive. Could be a garden designer. Typing in the address from Epstein’s book led to this site (http://www.gardens-guide.com/gardenpages/_0532.htm), which has an email address at the top that reads [[email protected]](mailto:[email protected]), a close match to the email address in Epstein’s book.
McAlpine, Alistair & Romilly: Baron McAlpine of West Green was a close advisor to Margaret Thatcher and served in the House of Lords for 26 years. McAlpine was falsely accused (supposedly) of child abuse by the BBC program, Newsnight. He won £185,000 in damages from BBC and £125,000 from ITV, both of which he donated to the children’s charity, Children in Need. Coincidentally, McAlpine collected the work of Graham Ovenden, an artist who drew naked children. Ovenden was found guilty of sexual abuse against children against underage girls, some as young as six-years-old (https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/09/artist-graham-ovenden-two-years-jail). Romilly was McAlpine’s 2nd wife. Alistair died in 2014.
McDonald, John: NYC-based restaurateur.
McFarland, Anthony: No info found.
McKenzie, Raymond: Former investment banker at Lazard Freres and Morgan Stanley. Both firms appear constantly while going through Epstein’s contacts.
Mclancy Gas: No info found.
Mclane, Shannon: Fashion designer.
Mcleod Jock & Pru: Alasdair ‘Jock’ MacLeod is a long-time executive at Rupert Murdoch’s News Corporation. His wife, Prudence, is Rupert Murdoch’s daughter. Coincidentally, Prudence attended The Dalton School while Epstein taught there in the ‘70s (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/12/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-dalton-teacher.html). Rupert Murdoch is listed later on in Epstein’s contacts. Murdoch also goes back a long way with Ghislaine. Murdoch and Ghislaine’s father, Robert, were rivals since they both owned competing newspapers in the U.S. and abroad (https://c8.alamy.com/comp/B502J2/rupert-murdoch-media-baron-in-conversation-with-fellow-newspaper-owners-B502J2.jpg).
Meister, Todd: Meister is a hedge fund manager who was married to Nicky Hilton for six weeks back in 2004. Hilton later married into the Rothschild family. Meister is a potential witness who might have knowledge of Epstein and Maxwell’s child trafficking and abuse (https://www.the-sun.com/news/778758/jeffrey-epstein-enablers-named-sex-trafficking-underage-victims/). Les Wexner invested a ton of money in Meister’s hedge fund. Todd’s father, Robert, was the one who introduced Epstein to Wexner (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/07/jeffrey-epsteins-financial-black-book).
Mendoza, Neil: British publisher and entrepreneur. Mendoza served as Chairman for The Prince’s Foundation for Children and the Arts, a children’s charity founded by Prince Charles (https://news.sky.com/story/stars-join-prince-charles-to-demand-all-children-get-access-to-the-arts-11491201). Mendoza also serves on the Shakespeare Schools Foundation, another children’s charity. Actor Ralph Fiennes, who is also listed in Epstein’s book, is one of the patrons of the charity (https://www.shakespeareschools.org/about-us/patrons). As of 2018, Mendoza has been the Provost of Oriel College, Oxford.
Menzies, Kate: Close friend of Princess Diana and the Royal Family. The Menzies are millionaires because of their newsagents and distribution group.
Merison, Guy & Caroline: Guy is co-founder of Hartees, a commodities firm specializing in energy.
Merivale-Austen, Bruce: Managing Partner of DM Partners Asia, a private wealth management firm. Plays polo every summer with Prince William and Prince Harry (https://www.thailandtatler.com/people/brouce-merivale-austin).
Mermagon, Mr Jonathan: Businessman and close friend of Pakistani Prime Minister Imran Khan, whose name keeps popping up. Memagden even served as Chairman of the UK PTI Secretariat (https://news.cision.com/curzon-pimran-khan-shares-vision-for-building-a-stronger-pakistan-through-trade,c9336910). PTI is the current ruling political party in Pakistan.
Metcalf Justin: See below under Justin and Joane Metcalfe.
Metcalf Melanie & Julian: Julian is the founder of the popular sandwich shop chain, Pret a Manger. Metcalfe has attended charity events for ARK (https://www.tatler.com/gallery/ark-charity-auction), Arpad Busson’s children’s charity and chain of children’s schools, which I wrote about last year (https://www.reddit.com/conspiracy/comments/cl34ju/arpad_busson_billionaire_businessman_or_possible/).
Metcalfe, Julian and Melanie: Same as above.
Metcalfe, Justin & Joane: Justin a jeweller in London. Joane was a fashion and interior designer. Died of lung cancer in 2016.
Metz, Robin: No info found.
Meyer, Tony: Investment banker. Co-founder of Lazard Freres Real Estate Investors as an affiliate of Lazard Freres & Co. (https://www.cfany.org/speaker-organizeanthony-e-meye). Another Lazard Freres connection.
Micklethwait, Fev & John: John has been the current editor-in-chief of Bloomberg News since 2015. He was the editor-in-chief of The Economist (21% Rothschild owned) from 2006-2015. In 2019, he ordered his employees not to investigate Bloomberg (their boss) or any other Democratic candidates during Bloomberg’s presidential campaign (https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/24/bloomberg-news-will-not-investigate-mike-bloomberg-or-his-democratic-rivals-during-primary.html). Had they investigated their boss, they would have discovered his relationships with Epstein, Maxwell, Weinstein, and Wexner (https://www.mintpressnews.com/mike-bloomberg-ties-jeffery-epstein-harvey-weinstein/265369/).
Milani, Gianluca: No info found.
Milford Haven George & Clare: George Mountbatten, 4th Marquess of Milford Haven. Second cousin of Prince Charles. Founded uSwitch, a website that allows you to compare suppliers of various services. Sold the company for $400 million. George’s grandfather was the older brother of Lord Mountbatten, alleged pedophile and father figure/mentor to Prince Charles. George’s wife, Clare, was the Social Editor of Tatler magazine (there it is again!) from 1995-2005.
Milford Haven, Sarah: First wife of George Milford Haven. Daughter of millionaire businessman and gangster George Walker.
Miller, Nicole & Kim Taipale: Miller is a millionaire fashion designer and businesswoman. Taipale is her husband. They were married by Rudy Giuliani in 1996. Nicole is a good friend of disgusting perverts, Ghislaine Maxwell and Tiffany Dubin (https://nymag.com/nymetro/news/features/n_8672/), wife of even more disgusting pervert Glenn Dubin. You can read about the Dubins in my D-F thread.
Mills, Cheryl: Lawyer who defended Bill Clinton during his impeachment trial. She served as deputy White House Counsel for Clinton, Senior Adviser and Counsel for Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign, and Counselor and Chief of Staff during Hillary’s tenure as Secretary of State. Mills had a key role in Hillary’s email scandal and in Haiti, where the Clintons are heavily involved (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/17/us/hillary-clinton-cheryl-mills.html).
Minot, Carie & Bell, George: Caroline is a jewelry designer. George has been responsible for several Silicon Valley startup companies. Before that, he was a senior editor of Outdoor Life magazine and has won Emmys for directing and writing conservation documentaries. He also founded Outdoor Life Network (now NBC Sports).
Minot, Susan: Novelist, screenwriter, playwright, and poet. Sister of Caroline (above).
Mischer, Kevin: Big-time movie producer and former Hollywood executive.
Modafferi, Daniela: No info found.
Moncada Cico: No info found.
Monckton, Rosa: Former President of Tiffany & Co. jewelry company. Daughter of a Viscount. Princess Diana was Monckton’s best friend and the Godmother of one of her children. Rosa also serves as a fundraiser for and on the board of several charities, most of which focus on children. Monckton is a patron for Downside Up, a charity for children with Down Syndrome, with actor Ralph Fiennes, who is also in Epstein’s contacts (http://downsideupcharity.org/node/64). She also raises money for KIDS charity out of London where Liz Hurley (also in Epstein’s contacts) is a patron, along with Elton John, David Cameron, David Furnish, Cherie Booth, and Channel 4 News presenter Cathy Newman (https://www.kids.org.uk/Pages/FAQs/Category/patrons). Epstein once offered Monckton to bring her daughter, who has Down Syndrome, to his house in Palm Beach (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2003/03/jeffrey-epstein-200303?currentPage=1).
Money Kryle, Mr Charlie & Kit: Charlie is a real estate specialist.
Montemayor, Cesar: Founder and President of InverCap, a large investment firm.
Monti Riccardo: Managing Director and Senior Partner at BCG (Milan), one of the largest management consulting firms in the world.
Moore Deborah: Likely the actress and daughter of Roger Moore of James Bond fame.
Moore, Juliet & Chris: Juliet is in publishing. Chris is an investment banker who worked at Bear Stearns in the ‘80s. He is now President of CSM Capital.
Moore, Mr Goeffrey: Roger Moore’s son.
Morris Stephen: Financial advisor.
Morris, Nick & Lucy: Not enough info.
Mortimer, Gigi & Averell: Gigi is a beauty entrepreneur who is very good friends with Ghislaine. Averell is Founder and CEO of Arden Asset Management. Averell’s mother was a descendant of the insanely wealthy and powerful Harriman family.
Morton, Peter: Co-founder of the Hard Rock Cafe.
Morton, Robert: Former producer of Letterman’s ‘Late Show.’
Mruvka Alan: Founder and former CEO of E! Entertainment Television.
Munro, Donald: Investment banker.
Murdoch, Rupert: Billionaire media mogul who owns more media outlets than God. Known for paying millions to female employees in order to cover up sexual abuse and harassment at Fox News. It’s pointless to name his connections. He knows almost everyone of importance.
Murray Phillipson Kate: A very good friend of Ghislaine’s from their Oxford days. Granddaughter of Hylton Murray-Philipson, a Conservative Party politician who served as a Member of Parliament. Kate is Now an interior painter (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8466853/What-girls-frolicked-Bullingdon-boys-Oxfords-brightest-young-women-rose-top.html).
Murray Phillipson, Mr & Mrs: Likely Kate’s brother, Hylton, a landowner and banker who Prince Charles referred to as one of his heroes. Just recently got some publicity for nearly dying from COVID 19.
Murray Threipland, Tercious/Claire: Owner of Dunbeath Castle. Claire left her first husband, Henry Herbert, The 17th Earl of Pembroke, to be with Tertius in 1981. Claire’s daughter, Emma, was a bridesmaid at the first marriage of Camila Parker Bowles (now Prince Charles’s wife).
Murray, Jean Pierre: Founder of Surf Channel and co-founder of TransCash, a prepaid Visa debit card firm.
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2020.07.06 20:13 BlueZozo17 Honest view about Gays, dating Black and Brown People at BYU Schools

I believe most of you here either went/going to BYU affiliated schools. I have been wondering about this for a long time. I am an international student and before I came to BYU-I, I converted because of cheap tuition fees (lmao). I was confirmed at one of the wards at BYU-I.
Everybody treated me so nicely. It was unreal. It honestly felt so good. Now that I know, everything is complete bullshit, I can't help but wonder if they treated me nicely just because I became a Mormon. I haven't had a bad experience with people here at school. How do they actually think about black, brown, and gays? Do they care about them as much as they like to admit they do?
Also, I have been on many dates with different girls but they always seem to look for guys who served a mission, tall and jacked. I don't wanna end up with a TBM girl of course, but it would feel nice if they actually seem interested. Maybe because I am an average looking with an average height and skinny body, haha. I honestly want to know your opinion on what they think about people like us. Pretty sure it's all an act.
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2020.06.28 00:03 ThrowRA3746272 Am I doing something immoral but not revealing the totality of my past political views

Edit1: sorry for the sloppy thread title. It should have read “Am I doing something immoral by not revealing the totality of my past political views in a new relationship?”
Hi all,
I’ve (27-m) been seeing someone (27-f) for five months now. We are in a relationship and things are going great.
I deal with anxiety so sometimes I tend to overthink situations, and I’m wondering if now is one of those times. Would greatly appreciate some help!
My political views have changed a lot over the years. I said this on date #1 with said GF...I essentially said I’ve been all over the spectrum but am quite moderate/moderate liberal now.
My gf is very political and is a die hard progressive. She has broken up with several ex BFs in the past over political differences, so this is clearly important to her. She is more liberal than I am, which hasn’t been an issue so far. I revealed to her that I voted third party in 2016 (GJ) but would be voting for Biden in the fall. I also described my past views as libertarian and mentioned that I used to be pretty right wing with regards to welfare, something I’ve since moved away from. I didn’t really consider myself a moderate until 2018.
She never has asked, but I did not mention that I voted for some Republican candidates in 2014 and 2016 (senators, governors, local officials). I was also a registered Republican in 2016 so I could vote in the primary, but I did not mention this either. At the time I was actively consuming more right wing media. I think these items are what I feel most guilty about not disclosing.
I still think libertarian was the best way to describe my views at that time, as I was always fine with gay marriage/abortion/drug legalization, but I definitely had more right wing views on race and gender in the past. I was never a racist or a sexist in the traditional sense, but I used to think claims of racism and sexism in America were greatly exaggerated. I did mention once that I used to think this way and have since changed my views but didn’t really expand much on it. There isn’t really a natural moment to talk about how you used to think.
Just to be clear, I’ve always been a political junkie and was very passionate about my past viewpoints for around 4 years (2014-2018ish). I may just feel guilty about this now in light of recent events. I just don’t know to what level of detail I should share about my past views - party affiliation, expand more on my past viewpoints/voting patterns/etc.
We talk about politics a lot so sometimes i feel guilty about leaving the totality of my past views out of the conversation. At the same time, I’m not sure how relevant that is today because my views have evolved quite a bit. I have never lied about what I think now or what I used to think in the past.
Am I doing anything immoral here? Would greatly appreciate your thoughts!
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Supreme Court rules workers can't be fired for being gay or transgender
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I guess Grand Theft Auto physics are pretty realistic
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This is [a historic decision](https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/19pdf/17-1618_hfci.pdf) which will protect hundreds of thousands of LGBT employees from discrimination. The opinion was 6-3, written by Justice Gorsuch and joined by Roberts, Kagan, Sotomayor, Ginsburg and Breyer. Kavanugh, Alito, and Thomas dissented. `As of today, the Supreme Court puts being gay or transgender in the same category as being black when it comes to employment discrimination. You cannot fire or discriminate against an employee for being black and you cannot fire or discriminate against an employee for being gay or trans.` Here are the opening two paragraphs. They explain everything you need to know: `>Sometimes small gestures can have unexpected consequences. Major initiatives practically guarantee them. In` `our time, few pieces of federal legislation rank in significance with the Civil Rights Act of 1964. There, in Title VII,` `Congress outlawed discrimination in the workplace on the` `basis of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. Today,` `we must decide whether an employer can fire someone` `simply for being homosexual or transgender. The answer` `is clear. An employer who fires an individual for being homosexual or transgender fires that person for traits or actions it would not have questioned in members of a different` `sex. Sex plays a necessary and undisguisable role in the` `decision, exactly what Title VII forbids.` >Those who adopted the Civil Rights Act might not have anticipated their work would lead to this particular result. Likely, they weren’t thinking about many of the Act’s consequences that have become apparent over the years, including its prohibition against discrimination on the basis of motherhood or its ban on the sexual harassment of male employees. But the limits of the drafters’ imagination supply no reason to ignore the law’s demands. When the express terms of a statute give us one answer and extratextual considerations suggest another, it’s no contest. Only the written word is the law, and all persons are entitled to its benefit.
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It was a 6-3 decision too.
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[Little Death](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_petite_mort) Note.
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2020.06.11 16:26 Evilmentalhamster The Gang Deserves Better

I've just discovered that Netflix UK have removed "Dee Reynolds: Shaping America's Youth" presumably because of Black Lives Matter. This saddens me and I'll explain why.
As I'm sure you are all aware, the Always Sunny guys are some of the most intelligent, woke and kind celebrities out there. To take down this episode is insulting and unhelpful. By taking this action, Netflix have actively removed a piece of satire that supports black people and their struggles against racism.
Perhaps Netflix needs a reminder of what satire actually is? Well, here's the definition: the use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticise people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
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Every episode could be studied in depth for satire and how it critiques modern life but I don't have time for that unfortunately so here's a brief look at Always Sunny's fantastic satirical comedy:
Season 1, Episode 1 - The Gang Gets Racist: Straight from the get go, you get an insight to how these guys are going to work. The very title tells you that this is satire. To be 'racist' you are defined as someone who shows prejudice and discrimination; you are fundamentally shown as someone who is wrong and is judging unfairly and incorrectly. The show is informing the viewer that the characters in this comedy are not people to look up to or aspire to be. This is important for the first episode of a tv show because it sets out its stall and tells you what sort of show it will be. The episode itself plays with the theme of white and straight privilege. It breaks down how straight, white people have historically used communities for their own gain but also studies the awkwardness in which straight white people behave around the communities too. Crucially, the episode shows how this privilege also shuns these communities when they feel that they have nothing more to gain from it.
- Dee feigns interest in Terrell's promoting skills so that she can have sex with him. When she finds out that he is gay and that she can't benefit from him, she turns on him and plots to ruin his influence. - Mac, who is uncomfortable with his own preconceptions of other communities, also plots with Dee to ruin Terrell's success. - Charlie uses Terrell's sister, Janell, to try and prove that he isn't racist which, in itself, is a form of racism. -Dennis exploits the new homosexual cliental only to renege on this when he actually ends up having a homosexual encounter.
None of these characters are set up to be heroes to the audience. You can look at one and think they are less reprehensible than the other but you cannot look at them as the paragon of human life. Straight away, we know that these characters are satire.
Season 2, Episode 2 - The Gang Goes Jihad: A highly critical and satirical episode about anti-semitism and terrorism. To know this is satire, all you really need to read is this bit of information from The Always Sunny Wiki: "This episode makes many references to tensions between Israel and Palestinian people, particularly in the plotline involving an Israeli telling someone else that he owns land that the other people had been occupying for a long time. In real life, Danny DeVito (whose own politics are probably the complete opposite of Frank's) has been a spokesman for the OneVoice Movement, which seeks a peaceful, negotiated settlement to the issue of Palestinian statehood."
Season 3, Episode 9 - Sweet Dee's Dating A Retarded Person: Another look at prejudice and how people skew their own feelings and opinions because of how other people judge them. The whole crux of the episode is Dee dating the rapper, Lil Kevin, and how, through Dennis's judgement, it comes to end. The other members of the gang also show their vanity and hubris as they decide that they are better than Lil Kevin because of their own preconceived ideas of him and therefore chase a music career because surely they can do it if he can. This episode is a fantastic example of obvious satire because it categorically shows you that the gang were wrong in their actions. Lil Kevin gets the last laugh on all of them as he destroys their attempts to perform to a crowd and also shows Dee how judgemental and wrong she was.
Season 6, Episode 1 - Mac Fights Gay Marriage: An episode that drips with hypocrisy from Mac as he tries to break up the marriage of his ex Carmen and her husband. You know that every argument he makes is redundant because of his previous affiliations with Carmen. As a viewer, you are firmly put into the position of siding with Carmen because every one of Mac's attempts to disprove their love is shutdown. Context of Rob McElhenney's life also lends to the satirical nature of this episode. He happily grew with two mums and his character fights gay marriage... Satire.
Season 6, Episode 9 - Dee Reynolds: Shaping America's Youth: The episode that's been taken down... By now, it is very well established that this show is one of satire and the characters are not people to follow or believe. They are caricatures of how real people exist and function. The elephant in the room here, and the whole reason that Netflix have chosen to remove the episode is because of the use of black face. Now, I will explain a little bit later why this is purely reactionary and is dripping with fake care but for now, let's just breakdown why this episode is important, why this episode isn't racist and why, most importantly, it is anti-racist. I'm going to do this in a slightly different and more detailed way to how I discussed the other episodes:
  1. Dee Reynolds is clearly established as someone who should not be 'Shaping America's Youth' because she has been consistently shown as crass, selfish and racist (her characters like Martina Martinez feed into the argument of the show being anti-racist). Even if you hadn't seen the show before, she is established as rude and unfit for a learning environment right from the outset with how she speaks to guys on the phone. Because we, as the audience, know that she shouldn't be 'Shaping America's Youth' we know that whatever she does with her class will be wrong and, even if she has the best intentions, she will have a negative effect on the young people.
  2. Charlie is shown to be popular as an employee in the school but again isn't shown as someone who should necessarily be trusted or looked up to. One of the first things he does is to take a piece of fruit out of the bin and, along with comedic effect, this is used to show you that he isn't a perfect person. So when he protects Richie from the bullies we can appreciate that as a good act but also recognise that he isn't someone who will necessarily change Richie's life for the better (something that is proven at the end of the episode).
  3. Mac & Frank argue that black face is something that is acceptable and that there are many great forms of it. This is very cleverly done and importantly sets the context around what we will see next in the episode. We know, from their arguments, that both black face and their understanding of black actors in the industry is wrong. Both of them create their own truths to wilfully ignore black representation in media. Frank's comments are more obviously racist as he talks about shoe polish and making the 'lips funny'. These comments aren't said for the audience to laugh and agree with him. The joke isn't aimed at black people and how black people look. The joke is aimed directly at Frank and his horrible misconceptions of black face. There is also a clever line showing white privilege over black actors as Frank is convinced that James Earl Jones is a white man because of Darth Vader. Instead of believing that a black man could be such a significant pop culture icon, Frank whitewashes it by simply believing that James Earl Jones was the man revealed to be under the mask of Darth Vader. Mac's comments serve to undermine black actors basically with the claim that white people may be better actors. He likens white people acting as black people to Ian Mckellen acting as a wizard. This comment is obviously ludicrous but, to help solidify the ridiculousness of this comment, he makes a homophobic comment about the actor shooting laser beams up 'his boyfriend's asshole'. Mac is shown to be a judgemental bigot and not someone to be trusted. Both characters are shown to be wrong with their opinions about putting black face on white actors. This is clear.
  4. Dennis is shown to be obviously against the idea of black face but this doesn't mean that he is shown to be completely right in his opinions of the industry as his use of voice shows. Yes, Dennis is correct that black face shouldn't be used but he too ultimately ignores that black people are underrepresented in media because he willingly stereotypes them for his own gain. Because of Dennis's use of a stereotypical and caricatural voice, he too is shown to be someone who shouldn't be trusted.
  5. All 5 main characters have now been shown in one single episode to be untrustworthy and satirical in some way. The previous episodes and seasons aren't required to know that the show is laughing at them and not with them.
  6. When Dee phones up the guys to play her class a film (something again showing her as irresponsible because she's going to do so in a bar), the guys railroad her to use children in their debate. Again, they are shown to be foolish and reprehensible because they plan to use other people for their own gain and self-interest.
  7. When the film is on, they have chosen to show their own film which is clearly shown to be bad and indecent. Frank's sex scene really nails down how inappropriate the entire film is. The fact that the students enjoy the film doesn't prove anything about the use of black face because, like modern cinema and media, sex and violence becomes the sole focus of the film. Even the gang forget about their debate because they become consumed with the story in the film instead of the controversy surrounding it. All they care about now is that people are enjoying their film and that they're getting recognition for it. They do not care about the debate of exploitation anymore because it has brought them perceived success. Again, this is a criticism of the media using people for success without any thought of repercussions.
  8. The episode ends showing the negative effect that the whole gang had on Richie's life and how they have influenced him to do something wrong. Even if Dennis, Mac and Frank are unaware of it, they have created negative repercussions because of their actions. The Principal, who acts as the voice of reason, highlights that there is a direct correlation between their film and Richie's following actions. It is acknowledged by every character at that point that the black face was wrong and that it has resulted in something negative. I think it's a good point here to note the irony of Richie moving from being a Juggalo to someone doing black face. I don't know a whole lot about the Insane Clown Posse but I do know that they are very politically minded against racism and bigotry. It was definitely not a mistake that the gang influenced someone away from something that stands for good into something that stands for bad. The whole episode is about how the gang are wrong in what they think and what they do, with a wider emphasis on systemic racism in media and how it can negatively effect youth.
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Always Sunny is a tv series about satire. I've gone through a few of them above but there are SO MANY more examples of satirising and highlighting bigotry and prejudice in modern society. They have covered racism, homophobia, sexism, transphobia, elitism and more but have always done so with the absolute best intentions and have always satirised bigoted views.
I know Netflix have been reactionary here and I know that they don't actually care about Black Lives Matter in this instance or about any other causes for equality. If they truly cared then they would know what Always Sunny stands for and why it has lasted as long as it has. This is a purely reactionary move without any thought because they are scared of being displayed as racist or uncaring but, the irony is, they are showing themselves as just that. The irony here is that Netflix are doing the exact thing that the Always Sunny guys would satirise and mock so brilliantly. Netflix are currently pulling off a 'The Gang Desperately Tries to Win An Award' by being fakely woke and wrongly making assumptions about what people think and want about their media.
The Always Sunny guys aren't racist, Netflix, you are.
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